Intercepting firearms from the mail

[soutthpaw]

Well we talked about it tonight and decided the best course of action to take was to box it back up and stick it back in the mail, leaving all the original labeling on the box. Thank you for all your input. I came here looking for some talking points to convince him to do the right thing and you guys came through. I think I'll stick around these forums a bit and maybe learn a thing or two. No more trolls
-Jay

How do you intercept a shipment if you are not the addressee or the shipper? Just cuz you have a tracking number. Should not let u redirect it...

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[SonofWWIIDI]

[JAYinCA]

How do you intercept a shipment if you are not the addressee or the shipper? Just cuz you have a tracking number. Should not let u redirect it...

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Apparently just the name on the package is good enough. It was addressed to the gun shop but had ATTN: *name* on it so fedex allowed him to pick it up.

[soutthpaw]

Apparently just the name on the package is good enough. It was addressed to the gun shop but had ATTN: *name* on it so fedex allowed him to pick it up.

Wow! With all our stupid laws, shocked ATFE has let that slip. Like a marking that it must be delivered to an FFL and cannot be rerouted. Return to sender if undeliverable. I think all FFL holders would be wise not to put customers name on outside of package.... if your bro had used said gun to shoot up a school, I guarantee the FFL would have been arrested and probably someone at FedEx would have been charged with something. Not to mention both would have their arses sued off. Because we all know it's the gun's fault and not that of the shooter!

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[soutthpaw]

Double post

[edgerly779]

If it is c&r long gun and both parties are residents over 18 of california does not need to go to ffl ship direct. If ffl involved already has to go to them first.

[JAYinCA]

If it is c&r long gun and both parties are residents over 18 of california does not need to go to ffl ship direct. If ffl involved already has to go to them first.

I think if it's being sent through the mail, the customer would need to have a C&R license to receive it directly. If the transaction is done in person, then the FFL could be skipped.

I too am surprised that something like this could happen, but the point that TRICKSTER brought up, every firearm sent through the mail requires a Firearms Shipment Approval to be sent to the receiving FFL and kept on file for three years. The exception being Type 03 (C&R collectors) and Type 06 (ammo dealers) FFLs. This ensures that a receiving FFL that doesn't receive the firearm will easily know it's been diverted... but not before damage can be done

Incidentally, looking into all this gun law stuff has made me aware of AB809 and SB374 (vetoed). I think I'm going to go pick up something for myself before the end of the year! Here's a link to several Assembly and Senate bills that have been both passed and vetoed for next year http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...es-awb-others/

[Eljay]

No, he's right, you can skip the C&R license if everything's happening within California with California residents and that's a good point. But only for long guns more than 50 years old and only until the end of the year when the law changes. And once a FFL gets involved all bets are off. There might even be issues if the seller has a C&R because this situation might mean they logged it out of their book improperly (disposition to the FFL instead of the buyer?)

Guns aside I wonder if diverting a FedEx/UPS shipment is illegal even if your name is sort of on it but it's not your address. What if your name is John Smith? The sender definitely didn't intend for it to go to anybody except the FFL and not all sellers are comfortable skipping the FFL even when it's legal.

What a mess.

[JAYinCA]

Hmm, so I guess he was half right in his argument. The gun is over 50 years old (Moser Nagant I think he said) so it would be a C&R. BTW, the shipment was not delivered to the house, but rather held for pickup and he needed to know the delivery address on the package. If you know the tracking # and address and your name is on it, it's probably safe to say the package is for you. Also, I'd guess the shipping FFLs don't want to draw attention to the package or indicate that it's a firearms so that's why they don't put special restrictions on it.

[Eljay]

Mosin Nagant. Yes, it's a C&R. If it came from out of state or from a FFL that doesn't help him any.

[Eljay]

The sad thing is there's a ton of Mosins for sale in the marketplace at any given time. He could just have met up with somebody and paid cash for the thing and been done with it.

[JAYinCA]

Live and learn I guess

[Jester3]

Guns

Wow! With all our stupid laws, shocked ATFE has let that slip. Like a marking that it must be delivered to an FFL and cannot be rerouted. Return to sender if undeliverable. I think all FFL holders would be wise not to put customers name on outside of package.... if your bro had used said gun to shoot up a school, I guarantee the FFL would have been arrested and probably someone at FedEx would have been charged with something. Not to mention both would have their arses sued off. Because we all know it's the gun's fault and not that of the shooter!

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Dang guns, always deciding things for themselves! First time I've heard of one rerouting itself in transit tho.

[golfish]

I wonder about all of this. The gun isn't "registered to any person, right?

I sent a lever gun back to Rossi\Braztech in Florida last year. They sent me the shipping label. I boxed it up, stuck on the label, dropped it off at the local FedEx puckup (small drug store) and after repair it was shipped to my front door.

BTW, no argument here, just looking for clarification..

[Eljay]

That's legal. You can send a firearm back for repair and they can send it back as long as they didn't have to swap out the frame (=changed serial #).

You can ship a gun to yourself for that matter.

There are other oddball situations too, like the CMP has a congressional charter that puts them under different rules than everybody else.