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  • #31
    Knomad
    Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 288

    First, some semantics: It's a very important distinction whether he's a "range master" or "range officer." The former can get away with calling it "his range" while the latter has as many rules to follow as you do, maybe more.

    I'm a RO at a local range. Let me say up front that I'm not going to take sides on this one because I wasn't there and I didn't see it happen with my own eyes. Instead I'll point out some of the factors that would be relevant at our range, with the caveat that some of them may differ at other ranges.

    Rule #1 is very simple: He's the RO, which means that his word is law. That doesn't mean he's always right, but I'm sure you can see that if it wasn't, if people ignored him at will, then eventually anarchy would ensue and a dangerous situation would probably develop before the night ended. So if you really feel he's wrong, the best course of action is to shut up, pack up, and leave and return another day when someone else is on duty.

    If the RO makes a major (as in potentially dangerous) or repeated lesser mistakes, then it's the range masters' job to get him off the line unless or until he can get some better training and learn to use better judgement. I can tell you from watching my counterparts that while they all seem competent, individuals are often better at some things and worse at others. That's why there are always at least two of us present, it tends to balance out and we can back each other up as needed.

    Safety briefings are normal but if he was really taking 15 minutes per person then it's overkill. We can usually cover the basics in about a minute, more typically we hand the new person their very own copy of the rules and ask them to read them before shooting. More importantly, if he was the only RO on duty (which I'm assuming since if there was another you presumably would have asked for a second opinion), and if there were other shooters on the line, then that would mean he wasn't watching the other shooters which would be a very serious dereliction of duty.

    He shouldn't be judging shooters unless they are a clear danger. His job is safety, not instruction. Occasionally one of us will take a few minutes to help a new shooter IF it's a slow night, one of us is still free to watch the line, and the shooter is open to advice and clearly accepts the offer of help.

    If you feel strongly that the guy was out of line, and if he is a RO rather than a range master, then you might wish to find out who the range master is and ask to speak with them. I know we'd want to know if one of our guys was out of line. Of course we'd already know since one of our rules is that even those of us with keys are never, ever out there alone.

    I should also note that at another range (in another county) I've seen a range master make careless mistakes that I can only attribute to being out there too many years and getting sloppy or complacent. In a case like that there may be no recourse other than finding another (safer) range. I've also seen RO's and RM's who were very capable but also very opinionated, they were safe but no fun to be around. Shooters are, after all, human.
    Last edited by Knomad; 11-05-2013, 8:33 PM.

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    • #32
      IntoForever
      CGSSA Associate
      • Sep 2010
      • 3891

      I've learned to avoid a few RSO's especially at Angeles Shooting Range. I cringe when I see them heading my way as I affectionately call them "Special Range Officer Doofy" due to their... nvm.

      I personally would not let anyone jump in and begin teaching my friends or students at a range unless it's only in regards to the range itself, then again, I am an instructor. From the little amount of information you gave, if I was in the same position, I would have gathered my things, friends and removed ourselves from his company to either continue elsewhere or file complaints with the manager. Again, I do not know if you are an instructor and your skill level or actual knowledge of how to teach/safely handle a firearm.
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      • #33
        appagohm
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 1123

        I'd be pissed, but I've also been through worse, some retard new RSO walks up to my wife trying to act cool, then tells me to open my slides when the firing line is still hot, then he tells me I muzzle swiped my wife, which I did not, while this is happening the lady to my right is shaking her dad's 1911 saying "this gun is really heavy" while the muzzle was pointing everywhere and the gun was loaded and cocked. This was at Angeles Shooting Range, usually I know the RSO's there and they are cool, but the new guy had some kind of power trip.

        now I stopped going to the range entirely, if I do go shoot, I go to BLM. If I have to go to the range, I only shoot 100rds just to test my new purchases.
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        • #34
          bigbearbear
          Calguns Addict
          • Jun 2011
          • 5378

          Out the name of the range please.

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          • #35
            2nd Mass
            Veteran Member
            • May 2013
            • 3212

            Originally posted by postal
            Sounds like someone just wanting to feel 'important'.

            Not normal responsibility of an RO.
            Agreed.

            OP, congrats on keeping your calm and handling the situation as calmly as you seemed to.

            Not telling the range officer may have been the wiser option as you stated in hindsight. I never do, it's none of their business. However, it doesn't matter. He clearly overstepped his position as a staff member of that range. "insubordinate, undermining?" This guy needs to be off that range. Btw, which range was it? Seriously because I don't think I want to take any first timers there. And seriously I don't think many people would have handled that "insubordinate" comment even half as well as you did.

            Additionally I agree with making a complaint to management or the owners. Would also be a good idea to put the experience on yelp. Many cgners work hard to get noobies to range. This is not the way to start off their experience.

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            • #36
              pastureofmuppets
              Senior Member
              • May 2013
              • 1805

              Is he calling himself a Range Master?

              If so, that's the problem right there.



              I would put in a call to the management and explain the experience to them, if they care at all about their range and business you won't see that happen again.

              Also, next time you are in there ask to see their Standard Operating Procedures. I'll bet the RSO being an instructor isn't in there.
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