multiple gov agencies raid a temecula cnc shop today

[sl0re10]

The BATF&E doesn't have to watch the towns, they just have to come onto websites like CalGuns where all these shops are freely posting the information for all the world to see.

All a BATF&E Agent has to do is type in a few key words in Google and they will have tones of shops to go after. If it isn't the shops themselves posting information it is the customers posting "these guys are great go to them for 80% lowers" that gets them noticed as well.

The reason that the BATF&E is being so aggressive is because since the school shooting last year when everyone went gun crazy the "80%" market took off like a firestorm. So all these guys with machine shops where like "Dang I can make a boat load of money off this stuff with no major retooling" and the greed took over as well as the "ahh they won't catch me I am just a small time shop" mentality.

well that... and it wasn't illegal...

Its still not... just the ATF has now clarified (translation: said after the fact) button push CNC rentals are not cool (ergo; you should stop if you are doing them). I think, as of today, if you taught a class on finishing your lower where people used jigs and power tools (themselves / on their own lower) that the ATF wouldn't get involved.

[diverwcw]

Too much speculation. For all I know the machine shop could have been making anything from fully automatic weapons to parts for skateboards.

[JDay]

Gotta keep those full-auto assault CNCs off the street...

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[ElvenSoul]

You paperweight owners need to get together and do a group buy on a mini mill. Then take turns using it. I would of donated mine. Traded it for ammo 3 months ago.

[biglou]

You paperweight owners need to get together and do a group buy on a mini mill. Then take turns using it. I would of donated mine. Traded it for ammo 3 months ago.

I like this idea. Then everyone is a owner of said machine. If you want out you can always sell your ownership, kinda like a timeshare except no seminar.

[Spyder]

So all these guys with machine shops where like "Dang I can make a boat load of money off this stuff with no major retooling" and the greed took over as well as the "ahh they won't catch me I am just a small time shop" mentality.

Well, that...or some good solid red blooded Americans saw a perfectly legal opportunity to pursue the American Dream, and are now being penalized for it. But whatever. I guess it's greedy to want better for yourself and your family, when it does absolutely nothing negative to anyone else.

[Whatisthis?]

I'm surprised this isn't more well known. Quite a few shops have been raided in the past few weeks. As to whether ATF knew about something illegal, I have no idea, so I've decided not to speculate on any of the rumors. I doubt it's just to slow down 80% lowers though since not all shops are hit.

What I've heard that has some significance, that I think more people are aware of, is that most of these shops hit were producing the 80%ers and then allowing people to use their machines to finish it and one of those wonderful agencies decided that that would essentially be selling an unregistered 100% lower.

I know all of my details aren't exact. Hopefully someone comes along that really knows what happened.

[njineermike]

You paperweight owners need to get together and do a group buy on a mini mill. Then take turns using it. I would of donated mine. Traded it for ammo 3 months ago.

I was thinking that same thing. Group buy a decent small (not mini) mill.

[Cannon-Arms]

Hmmm, /me wonders when ATF will raid ROHG arms operation. Seems they be doing future builders a favor right there.


Did I say that out loud? Oh snap!

[robcoe]

Hmmm, /me wonders when ATF will raid ROHG arms operation. Seems they be doing future builders a favor right there.


Did I say that out loud? Oh snap!

Given the kind of reports that have come out of that place, it will go last, they want those out there to keep functional guns off the street.

[zman]

The BATF&E doesn't have to watch the towns, they just have to come onto websites like CalGuns where all these shops are freely posting the information for all the world to see.

All a BATF&E Agent has to do is type in a few key words in Google and they will have tones of shops to go after. If it isn't the shops themselves posting information it is the customers posting "these guys are great go to them for 80% lowers" that gets them noticed as well.

The reason that the BATF&E is being so aggressive is because since the school shooting last year when everyone went gun crazy the "80%" market took off like a firestorm. So all these guys with machine shops where like "Dang I can make a boat load of money off this stuff with no major retooling" and the greed took over as well as the "ahh they won't catch me I am just a small time shop" mentality.

I don't recall any Temecula machine shops offering to finish 80% lowers nor making the actual 80% lowers

[Vertigofirearms]

thank heavens they brought swat... that guy could have thrown some lowers at the other LEOs....

I wouldn't mind being throw at with lowers

[SelfGovernor]

You paperweight owners need to get together and do a group buy on a mini mill. Then take turns using it. I would of donated mine. Traded it for ammo 3 months ago.

One of these would be great... Push the "Green Button" from the comfort of your own garage...

http://www.littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=3501

Still weighs a bit, so help will be needed to move it.