California cops shoot kid with toy gun aka Replica Assault Weapon

[inbox485]

Chis Cantwell is a professional douche. Literally. I don't mind reading his stuff because his bias would highlight details others might gloss over, but he is the type to crucify and cherry pick details based solely on their occupation, and he has established a career based on being a one side of the story troll.

[TRICKSTER]

Chis Cantwell is a professional douche. Literally. I don't mind reading his stuff because his bias would highlight details others might gloss over, but he is the type to crucify and cherry pick details based solely on their occupation, and he has established a career based on being a one side of the story troll.

So your saying that he is the perfect source of information for many of the opinions being posted here.

[inbox485]

So your saying that he is the perfect source of information for many of the opinions being posted here.

I wasn't going to point that much out. Fact is, my best guess is that there were alternative options that could have set up the situation differently. Monday morning quarter backing has no place in determining guilt, but it has plenty in revising training and methods, but most of the people here just want to debate via volume and conjecture which makes the whole discussion pretty pointless.

[ad40]

From what I saw I'd say it was justified. That kid didn't look 13 and that rifle didn't look like a toy.

Sad, yes. But at that exact moment I'm sure the officer feared for his life.

Agreed. If the reported account is true it's a justified shoot.
sad but true.

[malfunction]

Agreed. If the reported account is true it's a justified shoot.
sad but true.

Justified how? Why are we surprised that a kid (who was not breaking the law in any way) turns around when challenged from behind, any muzzle rise is likely reflexive at that point. Why are we even attempting to stop him? There's been no suggestion from any source that he pointed the gun at anyone, or acted in a threatening manner. But that's OK, better to kill him just in case I guess

Seems to be a problem with the rules of engagement here...

[inbox485]

Justified how? Why are we surprised that a kid (who was not breaking the law in any way) turns around when challenged from behind, any muzzle rise is likely reflexive at that point. Why are we even attempting to stop him? There's been no suggestion from any source that he pointed the gun at anyone, or acted in a threatening manner. But that's OK, better to kill him just in case I guess

Seems to be a problem with the rules of engagement here...

I was this close to pointing out how mind numbingly myopic that bull**** of an observation was, but I'd rather blow my nose with a .45. Later everybody.

[hambam105]

8th grader, common? 8th graders know not to carry copy-cat Aks down the road. This kid was suicidal or was out to prove something.

[malfunction]

Could you point me to the relevant section of the Penal Code that says he can't carry a copycat (or real) AK down the road in unincorporated areas of the county?

[CBR_rider]

Could you point me to the relevant section of the Penal Code that says he can't carry a copycat (or real) AK down the road in unincorporated areas of the county?

PC 20170 would be one that may apply (I don't know exactly WHERE the incident occurred...)

[Artema]

Justified how? Why are we surprised that a kid (who was not breaking the law in any way) turns around when challenged from behind, any muzzle rise is likely reflexive at that point. Why are we even attempting to stop him? There's been no suggestion from any source that he pointed the gun at anyone, or acted in a threatening manner. But that's OK, better to kill him just in case I guess

Seems to be a problem with the rules of engagement here...

Wow, you're interpreting it with information known later.

8th grader, common? 8th graders know not to carry copy-cat Aks down the road. This kid was suicidal or was out to prove something.

You're at least as wrong as the other guy. Wow.

[APV]

Justified how? Why are we surprised that a kid (who was not breaking the law in any way) turns around when challenged from behind, any muzzle rise is likely reflexive at that point. Why are we even attempting to stop him? There's been no suggestion from any source that he pointed the gun at anyone, or acted in a threatening manner. But that's OK, better to kill him just in case I guess

Seems to be a problem with the rules of engagement here...

please do not consider me as a lawyer for the police or an advocate for quick shooting but any gun able to shoot anything turned towards me makes me a little bit nervous, even an airsoft or paintball gun. It caused me to reply harshly few times when idiots with extended video games experience started playing with guns in the gun store and at the range while staying next to me. Even in the airsoft game areas the requirement is to detach a magazine prior to exiting the game zone and it is absolutely prohibited to have magazines attached out of the game zone.

[infringed711]

please do not consider me as a lawyer for the police or an advocate for quick shooting but any gun able to shoot anything turned towards me makes me a little bit nervous, even an airsoft or paintball gun. It caused me to reply harshly few times when idiots with extended video games experience started playing with guns in the gun store and at the range while staying next to me. Even in the airsoft game areas the requirement is to detach a magazine prior to exiting the game zone and it is absolutely prohibited to have magazines attached out of the game zone.

Did he raise the gun when he turned or did he just turn when someone yelled at him?

[Patrick Aherne]

Did he raise the gun when he turned or did he just turn when someone yelled at him?

Two independent witnesses told him to get rid of the AK; the second one told him the sheriff was driving up.

Then, as the patrol car pulled up, the driver blipped the siren and activated the overhead red/blue lights, finally, independent witnesses say that either one or both deputies shouted two commands to drop the gun.

The deceased did not have his hoodie up, was not wearing earbuds, was not deaf, did speak English and made the worst decision of his short life when he disobeyed orders and turned towards two deputy sheriffs while holding what looked like a real AK.

It's a tragedy, but it is not an illegal use of force.

[APV]

Did he raise the gun when he turned or did he just turn when someone yelled at him?

I only commented a question if pointing a gun at somebody is considered a problem.

[hambam105]

Cheskout California Penal Code 417

For ArtEnema
How do you know that my or anyone else's speculation is incorrect?
Do you have some inside information that you would like to share?
That is what I thought.
Good Day.