California cops shoot kid with toy gun aka Replica Assault Weapon

[IrishJoe3]

Look at my location...

LOL SNAP!

[WyattandDoc]

Its not my place to question your intelligence, so the only conclusion I can draw is that your are being intentionally ignorant. I've explained this at least a half dozen times.

If someone points a gun at you, COMMON SENSE says absolutely you should shoot!

They had no idea it was a fake gun. It was unreasonable for them to know it was a fake gun. In their minds, there was NO DOUBT it was a real gun. Based on that knowledge, it was legal, ethical and moral for them to defend themselves from the threat.

Facts learned post incident have zero relevance on decisions made based on real time information.

Perfectly worded.

The horrible aftermath is not relevant. Sounds callous, but it's reality.

[IrishJoe3]

Just confirmed with two Vets just back from Afghanistan. I presented the situation of a young man pointing a rifle at them while on routine patrol. I even threw in that they tell him to drop it in Afghan. They both said he's dead if he didn't comply. Also both asked where I got my info.

Shocking. But some keyboard commandos who mastered all levels of Modern Warfare said....

They laughed when I told them CalGuns. Guess this site is becoming the joke of the gun world

That has long been the case.

[IrishJoe3]

I think this entire thread is a perfect example as to why gun owners get into so much legal trouble when involved in a 'self defense' shooting. That is because many are legends in their own mind in regards to self defense, in reality there have no real knowledge. Therefore when they act based on what they 'think' or 'feel', its so outside of acceptable they get arrested.

Of course, you can't tell a legend he's wrong, so of course the story starts to spread that he's a victim and that he's being persecuted for exercising his right to self defense.

[APV]

Look at my location...

sorry, I made a wrong assumption about you without checking the facts. my apologies.

[IrishJoe3]

sorry, I made a wrong assumption about you without checking the facts. my apologies.

Unfortunately, thats the story of this thread ;-)

[1CavScout]

sorry, I made a wrong assumption about you without checking the facts. my apologies.

No problem, headed back to AZ in a few hours where my normal capacity mags are waiting for me in my safe.

[Fate]

Receiver of airsoft is obviously transparent. This would have been visible in the daylight with the light field background.

I also read a report that the teen was carrying it with one hand down by his side as he walked when confronted and he turned (and maybe pointed toy at officers, but hands no where near trigger).

[APV]

I think this entire thread is a perfect example as to why gun owners get into so much legal trouble when involved in a 'self defense' shooting. That is because many are legends in their own mind in regards to self defense, in reality there have no real knowledge. Therefore when they act based on what they 'think' or 'feel', its so outside of acceptable they get arrested.

Of course, you can't tell a legend he's wrong, so of course the story starts to spread that he's a victim and that he's being persecuted for exercising his right to self defense.

I am afraid ways the law can be interpreted is much more complecated then you pictured in the post. just last year there was a case in san jose when the man was arrested and received a sentence for breaking arms related california law. the funniest part is that the guy was a lawyer from other state that came here to study california law. the story was published in mercury news. according to the article the judge gave hours to serve on weekends in order to let to continue his study.

[APV]

Unfortunately, thats the story of this thread ;-)

I have to agree with you on this one

[RobG]

Two things are readily apparent;
One, that many on this board will never believe anything that LE says.
Two, those same people are just as bad as the media with regards to their "opinions" and "conjectures" about situations they know little to nothing about.

[WyattandDoc]

Two things are readily apparent;
One, that many on this board will never believe anything that LE says.
Two, those same people are just as bad as the media with regards to their "opinions" and "conjectures" about situations they know little to nothing about.

So true.....The hypocrisy on this site is beyond words.

CalGunners hate when the Liberal Dems judge them without knowledge, training or any facts on the subject for which they're being judged.

Then they turn around and do the EXACT same thing with any subject relating to a LEO. Unbelievable!!!

[Epaphroditus]

My nephew is 12 and 6'3" and is still growing ... hard to see he is just a "kid". FWIW.

[omgwtfbbq]

Unfortunately, thats the story of this thread ;-)

Truer words have never been said.

I decided not to weigh in on this thread with strong "good shoot or not good shoot statements" and just combat some of the ancillary FUD being spread around the thread as it's pretty apparent that despite the fact that we all talk anti's won't listen to the facts about the use of guns, many here themselves are just as uninterested in the facts when it doesn't jive with their preconceived notions on some other subjects, this one for example.

In the end, no one here will leave this thread convinced of an opinion different from when it started because all we've accomplished is making each other dig our heels in and defend our positions even harder, regardless of facts or how many times something is refuted.

[Artema]

Truer words have never been said.

I decided not to weigh in on this thread with strong "good shoot or not good shoot statements" and just combat some of the ancillary FUD being spread around the thread as it's pretty apparent that despite the fact that we all talk anti's won't listen to the facts about the use of guns, many here themselves are just as uninterested in the facts when it doesn't jive with their preconceived notions on some other subjects, this one for example.

In the end, no one here will leave this thread convinced of an opinion different from when it started because all we've accomplished is making each other dig our heels in and defend our positions even harder, regardless of facts or how many times something is refuted.

That's sad if you cannot adapt your perspective based on discussion with others. The full information has not even been released, and so all we have now is preliminary perspectives. When a report is released and stories are clarified we should be able to determine if they jumped the gun. I think the good thing is that 90% of us agree it wasn't a criminal action on the part of the police.