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  • BakoJ
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    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Dec 2012
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    Ethical or not?

    I bought a new Rock Island 1911 and pick it up out of jail this Tuesday. It wasn't my first choice but the price was right and many Calgunners gave it great reviews.

    What I really wanted was a S&W1911PC. Well, I went to another LGS and of course, they had the S&W that I want. It's a difference of about $350 but I know I'll keep the S&W forever. I love the fit and finish of it. To me, it's the perfect 1911.

    My next door neighbor is looking for his first 1911. Last night, he asked if I picked up my RIA yet. He offered to buy my RIA because he wants one and knows I wanted that S&W.

    So, he told me he didn't care about price. He does t know what I paid. I can throw in a value pack box of 100 rounds and I offered it for $750 for the package. He pays the fees. I'm not ripping him off if it's a good deal to him, right? What say you?
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    Originally posted by HP911
    sweet jesus, the subject matter experts are 97!
    Isaiah 41:10
    So do not fear, for I am with you;
    do not be dismayed, for I am your God.
    I will strengthen you and help you;
    I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.
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    ptusa
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2013
    • 860

    What happens he finds out what you did and shoots you in the arse?

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    • #3
      .40CALIbear
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 839

      Damn, that's like a $250 box of ammo. What if he finds out what the pistol is really worth? I wouldn't do that to a good friend or somebody I see on a regular basis. But then again, do what you want.
      Last edited by .40CALIbear; 10-12-2013, 12:44 PM.

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      • #4
        BKinzey
        OT Banned
        CGN Contributor
        • May 2009
        • 4390

        He's doing you a favor, sell the Rock Island to him for what you paid for it. Or even less because now it is a "used" gun.
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        • #5
          Spyguy
          Calguns Addict
          • Apr 2009
          • 7378

          Without knowing what you paid, it's difficult to answer your question. Just remember he's doing you a favor by buying it from you, otherwise you'd have to go through the hassle of listing it, finding a buyer, and dealing with a stranger.

          Normally, I'd say it's fair to add a reasonable markup for finding it and the trouble and cost of buying it. But in this case, I'd sell it to him for what you paid. Just because he said price is not an issue, doesn't mean you should take advantage of him.
          Last edited by Spyguy; 10-12-2013, 12:50 PM.
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          • #6
            Dantedamean
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2012
            • 2293

            Meh, if he says he doesn't care about price he can't get angry later. You just got the gun, it's value to you is above market value and you reflected that in the price.

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            • #7
              Capt1776
              Member
              • Sep 2013
              • 215

              Originally posted by Spyguy
              Without knowing what you paid, it's difficult to answer your question. Just remember he's doing you a favor by buying it from you, otherwise you'd have to go through the hassle of listing it, finding a buyer, and dealing with a stranger.

              Normally, I'd say it's fair to add a reasonable markup for finding it and the trouble and cost of buying it. But in this case, I'd sell it to him for what you paid. Just because he said price is not an issue, doesn't mean you should take advantage of him.
              I agree completely with this, especially since there probably wasn't much trouble finding the Rock Island.
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              • #8
                blazeaglory
                Calguns Addict
                • May 2011
                • 6370

                I think the OP knows the answer and is looking for other answers to maybe sooth the conscious???
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                • #9
                  vintagearms
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 6841

                  Originally posted by Spyguy

                  in this case, I'd sell it to him for what you paid. Just because he said price is not an issue, doesn't mean you should take advantage of him.
                  This. What used to be uncommon about gouging here seems to be the norm thanks to newer members and the lack of character on the part of older members.

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                  • #10
                    BakoJ
                    top poster @ utahguns.net
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                    • Dec 2012
                    • 2293

                    Interesting responses. About half are what I expected. I paid $600 with tax and DROS and it is a new gun. I haven't shot it yet and bought it factory new. The ammo is a 100 pack that I paid $40 for with tax.

                    I should mention that I've been storing his hinting rifle in my safe since his brothers are unsavory characters and doesn't trust them around his things.

                    I'm not into gouging but I'm in sales. My products and services aren't the cheapest in town. I do provide the best service and people happily pay my prices to deal with me. I know their business and I go above and beyond for them. I'm not gouging them because part of my cost is the service I provide, which is second to none.

                    Just curious what everyone thought. And I have no problem telling him what I paid. In fact, he'll see the same gun in the case when if we do the transfer and see the price right there. I'm not willing to hide anything from him. Hell, I'm the one who got him into shooting.
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                    Originally posted by HP911
                    sweet jesus, the subject matter experts are 97!
                    Isaiah 41:10
                    So do not fear, for I am with you;
                    do not be dismayed, for I am your God.
                    I will strengthen you and help you;
                    I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.

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                    • #11
                      Bikertrash
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 1079

                      If you have to ask if it's ethical....

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                      • #12
                        AK4me
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 1281

                        not!

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                        • #13
                          Whatisthis?
                          Senior Member
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 1820

                          Originally posted by bako88fan
                          Interesting responses. About half are what I expected. I paid $600 with tax and DROS and it is a new gun. I haven't shot it yet and bought it factory new. The ammo is a 100 pack that I paid $40 for with tax.

                          I should mention that I've been storing his hinting rifle in my safe since his brothers are unsavory characters and doesn't trust them around his things.

                          I'm not into gouging but I'm in sales. My products and services aren't the cheapest in town. I do provide the best service and people happily pay my prices to deal with me. I know their business and I go above and beyond for them. I'm not gouging them because part of my cost is the service I provide, which is second to none.

                          Just curious what everyone thought. And I have no problem telling him what I paid. In fact, he'll see the same gun in the case when if we do the transfer and see the price right there. I'm not willing to hide anything from him. Hell, I'm the one who got him into shooting.

                          This makes zero difference to the case. You are clearly looking for people to say it is okay to over charge him.

                          If he doesn't care about price, then sell it to him for exactly what you paid for it. It's more than you would get for it on here (you could list it for what you paid but it very likely would not sell). So selling it to him for exactly what you paid seems like it benefits you quite a bit.

                          Over charging him is just a ****ty thing to do.

                          Maybe that's not so obvious

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                          • #14
                            sl0re10
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 7242

                            Not right IMO. If you need the extra cash from him to get the one you want; if you had more ammo you could throw in to add value, to your offer, that would be cool (IMO). If not ammo something else he needs (reloading supplies, whatever).

                            But since there is a wide price difference in 1911s he's probably seen the better ones and doesn't realise yours is not in that class.... yet.

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                            • #15
                              BakoJ
                              top poster @ utahguns.net
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 2293

                              Originally posted by Whatisthis?
                              This makes zero difference to the case. You are clearly looking for people to say it is okay to over charge him.

                              If he doesn't care about price, then sell it to him for exactly what you paid for it. It's more than you would get for it on here (you could list it for what you paid but it very likely would not sell). So selling it to him for exactly what you paid seems like it benefits you quite a bit.

                              Over charging him is just a ****ty thing to do.
                              Actually, I'm not looking for anyone else to say it's ok to overcharge. I'm actually more interested in the climate of our culture. So I guess I'm trolling. I see guys in OT and in the marketplace thread crap for gouging, then I see others saying "don't like the price, don't buy it" and "Capitalism... 'Merica!"

                              I was interested to see what people thought when it was someone they knew, and how the behavior would change, versus a stranger from the Internet. What's interesting is that the feelings seem to change when it is someone you know instead of someone you don't.

                              Just so it's clear, I'm keeping my Rock Island and never intended to sell it. It's a cool gun and I can't wait to shoot it. I'm blessed enough to be able to afford the S&W after Christmas. I can have both. I was just curious to see how fellow CGers felt about the scenario.
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                              Originally posted by HP911
                              sweet jesus, the subject matter experts are 97!
                              Isaiah 41:10
                              So do not fear, for I am with you;
                              do not be dismayed, for I am your God.
                              I will strengthen you and help you;
                              I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.

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