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  • fevillago
    Member
    • Jun 2008
    • 311

    bad experience with instructed milling vendor

    I am going to keep this simple:
    I paid 120 for help on milling my QD 308 80%.
    I ended up with a mill job where the trigger could not be installed and IMO due to the location of the side holes or the trigger hole.

    Individual agreed to fix the issue and this is what it looked like:



    Afterwards it was noticed the hammer could not be installed due to the hammer rubbing the front wall so a 2nd rework was done near the hammer wall and this is what came out of it(looks like a hack job to me and I have crack now too).
    Picture shows uneven side walls:

    Picture shows thin front trigger wall after rework


    hammer wall was reworked so thin it cracked near the hammer joint:



    even after the rework the hammer does not sit properly



    also the trigger hole was made alot bigger


    Now I have a paper weight since I’m not even sure if it is safe to fire this lower especially in a big caliber like the 308.

    The fact of the matter is that I paid to get professional help and guidance during the mill proccess of my 80% and this is what I ended up with.

    I was not refunded my 120 fees for the instructed milling nor did I get a replacement 80% for the incorrect milling done to mine.

    Working meetings and discussions went on for weeks but at the end no positive resolution came out on my end.

    Hopefully this information helps other when dealing with this vendor: lovetobuild
    Last edited by fevillago; 09-22-2013, 8:45 PM. Reason: ....
  • #2
    Tommy C
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 820

    What a nightmare!
    -Tommy

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    • #3
      cabinetguy
      Release the Cabinets!
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Sep 2010
      • 12659

      was that CNC or manual mill?

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      • #4
        fevillago
        Member
        • Jun 2008
        • 311

        the 1st cut was done with a mill with a screen so it was motorized for few cuts.
        The reworks were perfomed on a manual mill.
        Last edited by fevillago; 09-22-2013, 8:36 PM.

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        • #5
          kurac
          Veteran Member
          • Dec 2005
          • 2917

          I am surprised there are not more stories like this. Doing metal work is not for everyone with an instructor or not.
          www.culinagrips.com
          "custom grips for shooters by shooters"

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          • #6
            Dr-Death
            Member
            • Nov 2011
            • 140

            oH cRa p ..............Bring that "Paper Weight" here to Sacramento

            I'll Watch while you cut that pos in to small pieces and i will trade you a raw 80% dpms 308 lower with "FREE CNC Instructions"

            Now I have a paper weight since I’m not even sure if it is safe to fire this lower especially in a big caliber like the 308.

            The fact of the matter is that I paid to get professional help and guidance during the mill proccess of my 80% and this is what I ended up with.

            I was not refunded my 120 fees for the instructed milling nor did I get a replacement 80% for the incorrect milling done to mine.

            The meetings and discussions went on for weeks during this process but at the end no positive resolution came out on my end.

            Hopefully this information helps other when dealing with this vendor: lovetobuild
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            Last edited by Dr-Death; 09-22-2013, 6:31 PM.

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            • #7
              kurac
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2005
              • 2917

              doing the pocketing on a CNC is the way to go. Did you have a jig for this one or did you do it basically free hand? How experienced was your instructor? to me it looks like he didn't quite understand how to deal with the axis backlash but I wasn't there so its just a guess.
              www.culinagrips.com
              "custom grips for shooters by shooters"

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              • #8
                Dee_Dub
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2011
                • 2097

                bummer
                A man's GOT to know his limitations.

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                • #9
                  Sub95
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2010
                  • 1227

                  Looks to me the trigger/hammer holes is to far forward and why the hammer is hitting the front wall.

                  Did you use the correct jig for the lower?

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                  • #10
                    ar15barrels
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 57170

                    Originally posted by fevillago
                    I am going to keep this simple:
                    I paid 120 for help on milling my QD 308 80%.
                    I ended up with a mill job where the trigger could not be installed and IMO due to the location of the side holes or the trigger hole.
                    This is the risk you take by circumventing the usual manufacturing process where a knowledgeable/capable manufacturer makes the receiver from 0% to 100% and then properly finishes it so it is ready to be assembled by the end user.

                    80% receiver + 20% work rarely equals the quality of a 100% receiver.
                    Randall Rausch

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                    Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                    • #11
                      fevillago
                      Member
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 311

                      Originally posted by kurac
                      doing the pocketing on a CNC is the way to go. Did you have a jig for this one or did you do it basically free hand? How experienced was your instructor? to me it looks like he didn't quite understand how to deal with the axis backlash but I wasn't there so its just a guess.
                      a mount plate was used to secure the lower and they had some kind of jig.
                      the 1st cut looked clean but unfortunately the dimensions used did not allowed installation of my LPK (DPMS).

                      The 2 reworks is what destroyed the lower.
                      Last edited by fevillago; 09-22-2013, 8:58 PM. Reason: ..

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                      • #12
                        fevillago
                        Member
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 311

                        Originally posted by Sub95
                        Looks to me the trigger/hammer holes is to far forward and why the hammer is hitting the front wall.

                        Did you use the correct jig for the lower?
                        I guess not since it did not work. I paid for instructions and guidance since I am not an expert.

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                        • #13
                          ar15barrels
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 57170

                          Originally posted by fevillago
                          The 2 reworks is what destroyed the lower.
                          Incorrect milling/drilling the FIRST time is what killed the lower.
                          If it was milled/drilled correctly, it never would have needed to be reworked.
                          Randall Rausch

                          AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                          Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                          Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                          Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                          Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                          • #14
                            fevillago
                            Member
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 311

                            Originally posted by ar15barrels
                            Incorrect milling/drilling the FIRST time is what killed the lower.
                            If it was milled/drilled correctly, it never would have needed to be reworked.
                            you are right Randall

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                            • #15
                              XxWoodsHunterxX
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 1698

                              Should of went to the dr.


                              Charles

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