At What Point Do we Just Start Carrying?

[ldsnet]

Interesting case of man in San Diego CA. without LTC using his concealed firearm in self-defense. No homicide charges; but charged with carrying without LTC which is not the end of the world vs. being dead.

http://legacy.utsandiego.com/news/me...m1salcido.html

I had a Sailor with the same issue - used a CCW weapon (without a permit) to defend himself. could not post the 500,000 bond, and it took the prosecution a year to agree to a plea - one guilty of unlawful CCW (misdermeanor) - time served and he walked away.

The Navy booted him for "comission of a serious offense" the day he was released from custody.

[Citadelgrad87]

If your unsecure with your area then carry. It's that simple. Misdameanor concealed weapon.

But for you to get that misdemeanor you must be patted down by the cops... So follow the rules an you'll be fine.

If you end up having to use it you'll get charged. That's the point where you have to weigh the risk for saving yourself or family.

Unlikely. If he is an upstanding citizen free of a record, and he uses it, he will be using it to stop a crime against himself.

The prosecutor will need a witness against the mugger/robber/whoever did whatever to you or your family.

They will decide whether to approach the guy who attacked and offer him immunity to testify that you had a gun, OR, they will approach you and offer you immunity in exchange for testimony as to the assault.

This is not legal advice, I do not and have never practiced criminal law, but this is how it looks to me.

[hefedehefe]

If no one knows, no one knows

[nicegunsbro]

oh man on parthenia between tampa and reseda is bad news. isnt it an lapd video zone?? or it was anyways. try and move sooner than later man.

[bodger]

Actually - LUCC laws have changed with the legislation that made unloaded open carry illegal.

The CHP website has not been updated and the information is not current.

Walking around in public with an unloaded sidearm in a locked container carries the same misdemeanor as carrying it loaded and unlocked.

Transport in a vehicle is obviously different....

That's the first I have heard of this. Do you have a link to substantiate? I LUCC nearly every day, and not just in my vehicle. This seems like FUD. No offense intended.

[krpduner]

Actually - LUCC laws have changed with the legislation that made unloaded open carry illegal.

The CHP website has not been updated and the information is not current.

Walking around in public with an unloaded sidearm in a locked container carries the same misdemeanor as carrying it loaded and unlocked.

Transport in a vehicle is obviously different....

Yes please give us a link or penal code. Im not arguing just asking for the information as I had a long thread on this and there was/is no good answer. The law states its legal to and from places where its legal. The "legal places" seems to be the question. But definitely in your car you are good to go, outside may be another manner but thats up for debate also.

[Lifeon2whls]

No one on this site will approve the idea of you doing something illegal.

Do you currently carry pepper spray when you walk?

If not- **WHY NOT????**

And now you want some justification of some random person on the internet giving you 'approval' to do something illegal?

You do know carry without a license is a misdemeaner.

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It is kind of funny to me that you want to justify this by a random shooting at a place you 'drive by' once a week... Man... you live in a nice neighborhood... I drive through some really bad neighborhoods all the time.

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I know you've been here a while, and have seen you post in other threads... If this was a username I didnt recognize, that was new here... I would have only posted the very first sentence and reported the post to the mods...

Postal...I wasn't looking for justification or approval on this (which I take you may realize given the edits) however I was looking at this in terms of...at what point does a neighborhood get so bad/dangerous that a you're willing to break a law in order not to be a prisoner in your own home?

I'm very familiar with the neighborhoods in LA and how much worse they can be. Unfortunately the incident I mentioned was not an isolated event but rather the one which had my mind going...within waking distance of our home, there have been multiple shootings, gang related incidents and even a coyote house that was found. A few weeks ago someone tried to accost me while I was coming out of Northridge hospital (which is walking dist from the house). Hence this is what got me thinking.

So, why dont I walk with pepper spray? Because I walk with a Belgian Malinois who is extremely protective. The nefarious types in the neighborhood tend to cross the street when they see him and if they dont he will stay on point until they are out of earshot. If he couldnt deal with the problem, I dont think pepper spray would do much more good.

oh man on parthenia between tampa and reseda is bad news. isnt it an lapd video zone?? or it was anyways. try and move sooner than later man.

Yep it sure is a LAPD Video Zone and the element there had moved south toward where I am now. Yes, we want to move but again not going to happen right away. We do live in a "nice pocket" but there are some apartments along Reseda/Roscoe that have a lot of crime/issues and we get the circling helos a couple times a week.

[Untamed1972]

That said, we refuse to stay cooped up in the house and not walk the dogs, etc. Since there is no chance of getting a CCW in Los Angeles, at what point do you just say F it and start carrying because your family's life and yours is more valuable than other things?

At the point that YOU feel that complying with the law is more dangerous than ignoring it. But only YOU can decide what that point is.

[jeffafa]

Wow. I grew up in Reseda/Tarzana and used to party in Northridge in the early 80's all the time. Things have obviously changed.

[Lifeon2whls]

Wow. I grew up in Reseda/Tarzana and used to party in Northridge in the early 80's all the time. Things have obviously changed.

I grew up in Chatsworth and was hoping Reseda was on the up tick but continued events show that doesnt seem to be the case.

[Aldemar]

I'm a bit east of that location and have run into the same issue. I wish they would nuke the "Projects" on Parthenia between Wilbur & Tampa, it's a little better than it was 20 years ago but it's still a toilet. Have you taken your dogs up to the hiking trails north of Rinaldi by Tampa? You can run them off leash and no one cares. There is also the dog park on Victory & White Oak.

I realize that not feeling safe in your own neighborhood is not a good feeling. Nothing is going to change in LA so we either have to adapt or relocate.

[ja308]

Recently I heard a gun lawyer talk about CC and if I got it correct .
If the gun is registered illegal carry, is charged as a misdemeanor, if the gun is not registered you will be charged with a felony .

Recently the courts allow challenges to DOJ records as to whether the gun should have been registered or if a clerk erred in inputting data .

If a person were to carry illegally, it may be prudent to make sure your carry gun is in the system .

I have not proven any of the above. My next move will have Constitutional Carry .

[Tommy C]

I think the interesting fact is criminals/gangs/felons illegal carry all the time. I don't condone breaking laws but our laws regarding conceal carry are a joke to felons and criminals. Our communities are at high risk due to prison and jail over crowding. They get a slap on the hand nowadays. Only a matter of time they get another illegal firearm and commit a violent crime with it. Best advice is exhaust all other measures first as having a dog, spray, pocket knife, etc. Read link to article.

http://www.fresnobee.com/2013/09/18/...op-fresno.html

Yeah, I read this article earlier in the day & it pissed me off. Law abiding citizens don't stand a chance these days....

[bill_k_lopez]

At What Point Do we Just Start Carrying?

Whats stopping you from doing it now?

If you feel the risk of going to jail justifies carrying, then do it. You don't need to seek permission or acceptance from anonymous people on the internet for this.