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  • 11Z50
    Banned
    • Sep 2002
    • 1997

    Mr Squirrel eats lead one last time

    Sadly, I may have blasted my last scurious californicus in the PRK.

    This morning, my friend who owns the winery that is overrun by ground squirrels called and asked if I'd bring my 17HMR and turn it loose. I told him it'd be my pleasure, and by 0930 hours Mr Squirrel was hurtin' fer certain.

    Although the wind was blowing, and gusting to 15-20 MPH, I was able to rack up 5 confirmed KIAs and multiple probables. (ie blood and guts around the hole)

    The HMR is explosive at under 100 yards, and beyond that, all I've found in the remains are copper jacket frags and the miniscule plastic V-max point. There is such a small amount of lead in an HMR I can't see how it could be a bio-hazard to the freakin PRK Kondor. My friend liked the fact that I used a 17HMR due to it's low noise signature, lessened ricochet danger, and immediate lethality.

    I tried to explain this lunacy lead-ban which will be enforced in a few weeks to my friend, who is a Vintner and a mechanical engineer. Although he owns guns, and is a 2A guy, he doesn't really keep up with all the Gov't stupidity like the lead ammo ban. He was aghast.

    While the relationship between he as the property owner and winemaker, and me as a responsible hunter and shooter was a win-win, the PRK has seen to it to make it a lose-lose. He did not want to use poison on the varmints, since he is interested in keeping his land as pure, and his product as organic as possible. Any squirrels killed are left out, and in all cases gone the next morning, carried off by coyotes, foxes, or other critters. Now, poisoned squirrels will be consumed by the predators which will no doubt have an ill effect. I will not be victimized by Fish and Game for using "lead" ammo on varmints. I don't see HMR non-lead ammo coming, and the area of the winery is not conducive for use of a center-fire "Varmint Grenade" non-lead bullet. The HMR was perfect for the task, but soon will not be legal.

    It's a sad time for those of us who will have to live with this draconian regulation. I probably will give up hunting of all types in the PRK, and spend my money on out of state hunts. My friend will be forced to poison the varmints lest they destroy his expensive vineyard. And nobody around here has ever seen a live Condor.
    Last edited by 11Z50; 06-10-2008, 11:20 PM.
  • #2
    bubbaskyjacker
    Member
    • May 2008
    • 138

    no lead bullet hunting??? when, what, where wtf?

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    • #3
      Timberwolf
      Calguns Addict
      • Oct 2004
      • 6275

      Originally posted by bubbaskyjacker
      no lead bullet hunting??? when, what, where wtf?
      Yeah effective 070108
      I'm only smiling at you while you talk to me because it's hilarious that you really think I give a crap about you.

      As I've gotten older I thought I was gaining patience, then I realized I simply don't give a crap.

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      • #4
        weezil_boi
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 1305

        Originally posted by bubbaskyjacker
        no lead bullet hunting??? when, what, where wtf?

        July 1 2008. No lead for large game and non-game species in the Kalicopia condor preservation areas ( mostly central to southern cal along coast). But you can still target shoot with lead. Small game are still lead legal ( Wascally Wabbits)

        No one make non lead rim fire ammo.... now I have to throw rocks and bottles at the skwerrels. Perhaps even build a flame thrower.

        Question... does the NO LEAD rule apply to air guns?

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        • #5
          bubbaskyjacker
          Member
          • May 2008
          • 138

          im soooooo f ing tired of this state!!!! my whole family is here and thats why i stay. i bet the f@#ker that made this law ate paint chips as a kid. next thing we know we wont be able to wipe our @$$e$ bleached toilet paper. aaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

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          • #6
            11Z50
            Banned
            • Sep 2002
            • 1997

            Originally posted by weezil_boi
            July 1 2008. No lead for large game and non-game species in the Kalicopia condor preservation areas ( mostly central to southern cal along coast). But you can still target shoot with lead. Small game are still lead legal ( Wascally Wabbits)

            No one make non lead rim fire ammo.... now I have to throw rocks and bottles at the skwerrels. Perhaps even build a flame thrower.

            Question... does the NO LEAD rule apply to air guns?
            Airguns, no. Deer and Pig with centerfire, yes.

            DFG has found a way to put themselves out of business, as far as I am concerned. I will not pay another @#$%^&*()_+ dime to DFG, ever. I'll hunt and fish out of state. Since I plan on getting outa here eventually, might as well start the search for hunting and fishing early.

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            • #7
              m24armorer
              In Memoriam
              • Feb 2006
              • 1422

              And a few years back they fixed it so you can't even have your own flame thrower. Used to be legal here.
              07 Class II in the Bay area.
              Enjoy the silence.......
              sigpic
              Celebrating our madness for over
              50 years.


              Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier. One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.
              - George Patton

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              • #8
                Tweak338
                Veteran Member
                • Aug 2006
                • 4076

                Originally posted by m24armorer
                And a few years back they fixed it so you can't even have your own flame thrower. Used to be legal here.
                I bet you have a Pre-Ban...

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                • #9
                  DedEye
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 8655

                  Originally posted by bubbaskyjacker
                  im soooooo f ing tired of this state!!!! my whole family is here and thats why i stay. i bet the f@#ker that made this law ate paint chips as a kid. next thing we know we wont be able to wipe our @$$e$ bleached toilet paper. aaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
                  Thank Pedro Nava .


                  When I called him on the lead ammo ban BS last time I saw him, he said the ban applied to centerfire and hunting only, as though that somehow made it better .
                  These posts are Fiction. They do not contain legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. Any resemblance to real persons are pure coincidence. These posts may pose an inhalation hazard, reading can be harmful or fatal. No statements made on this forum are meant to represent any corporate or business entity, others, or myself. Especially not myself.

                  Stop duping answers, help expand the FAQ.

                  Why yes, that is me in my avatar and yes, I AM wearing a life jacket.

                  WTS Keltec P11

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                  • #10
                    11Z50
                    Banned
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 1997

                    UPDATE: The winery owner has made a special request for the HMR to deal death one last time so he may get a headstart on the poison. Looks like I'll be making one last lead-laden protest shoot prior to the deadline.

                    I'll be taking both HMR's, the Marlin 917 and the Remmy 597 semi. Hopefully we will obtain images of the event.

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                    • #11
                      m24armorer
                      In Memoriam
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 1422

                      I really hate the whole poison thing, it severely messes with the food chain.

                      I have a good friend in DFG I'll ask regarding this. Maybe a depradation lead permit?
                      07 Class II in the Bay area.
                      Enjoy the silence.......
                      sigpic
                      Celebrating our madness for over
                      50 years.


                      Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier. One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.
                      - George Patton

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                      • #12
                        11Z50
                        Banned
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 1997

                        Originally posted by m24armorer
                        I really hate the whole poison thing, it severely messes with the food chain.

                        I have a good friend in DFG I'll ask regarding this. Maybe a depradation lead permit?
                        Nope....specifically excluded. NO LEAD AMMO for hunting, depradation permits, nothing, no way. Period. The idea is it is customary, and safe, to not consume non-game animals. Therefore, they are left in the field, and all those condors we see every day feed on the bullet-ridden corpses and die at an alarming rate. In the case of Deer and Pig, we shoot them and leave gut piles, which again, are flocked upon by the Condor. We get a break with tree squirrels and Cottontail and Jack Rabbits, since I guess DFG is too F+__*& stupid to understand that most smart hunters gut them in the field. Maybe the Condor don't like Rabbit?

                        Oh, and BTW, ask your DFG friend whats going to happen if a Condor eats a poisoned ground squirrel laying out in the open?
                        Last edited by 11Z50; 06-11-2008, 12:51 AM.

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                        • #13
                          sloguy
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 1999

                          Originally posted by m24armorer
                          And a few years back they fixed it so you can't even have your own flame thrower. Used to be legal here.
                          flame throwers are legal here. but they cannot shoot more than 10 feet.

                          it sounds like a joke but im serious.
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                          Originally posted by xrMike
                          She's going to get sand in her action, if she's not careful.

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                          • #14
                            Pvt. Cowboy
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 2688

                            Originally posted by 11Z50
                            And nobody around here has ever seen a live Condor.
                            I hear anti-freeze attracts them if you want to show a live California Condor to your grandkids.

                            Just pour some on the ground in an open area, and the bright green color and sugary taste brings them right down from the sky. You might have to pour several pools of anti-freeze over a wide area and wait a bit, but they will come.

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                            • #15
                              trinydex
                              Veteran Member
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 4720

                              Originally posted by 11Z50
                              Nope....specifically excluded. NO LEAD AMMO for hunting, depradation permits, nothing, no way. Period. The idea is it is customary, and safe, to not consume non-game animals. Therefore, they are left in the field, and all those condors we see every day feed on the bullet-ridden corpses and die at an alarming rate. In the case of Deer and Pig, we shoot them and leave gut piles, which again, are flocked upon by the Condor. We get a break with tree squirrels and Cottontail and Jack Rabbits, since I guess DFG is too F+__*& stupid to understand that most smart hunters gut them in the field. Maybe the Condor don't like Rabbit?

                              Oh, and BTW, ask your DFG friend whats going to happen if a Condor eats a poisoned ground squirrel laying out in the open?
                              so if the condors eat poisoned varmints... that's ok? perhaps this is a ploy for dfg boss's friend who is starting a condor friendly pest poison company.

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