Bad Experience-Poway Weapons & Gear

[DuneShoot]

In a nut shell:
Bought a used pistol (2nd firearm I have purchased here). I'm not a gun smith with a trained eye nor was I able to test fire.
Gun won't feed and has been bubbed.
Owner claims he test fires all used firearms before selling. No way in hell he got this to run.

Talked to PW&G yesterday and they said it's now my problem.

See link in signature if you care for details. Will be sending it to a qualified smith for repairs.

On a side note I bought a well used 1911 from So Cal Gun a few years ago. Front sites came loose after shooting it for the 1st time. They paid to have it fixed!

Buyer beware at Poway Weapons & Gear.

[rman]

bought a gun there in January. without going into detail, i was very displeased. the fat guy that works there was a jerk and ripped me off. i should have complained but i was all giddy over buying a gun


-Armand
Sent from my NSA tracking device

[desertjosh]

That sucks, didnt they just open up not too long ago? I was looking forward to checking them out.

[DuneShoot]

They've been open for quite some time. They are opening an indoor range at some point.

Oh, and no need for gun locks when purchasing a hand gun

[weaponsandgear]

Let's make sure the whole story is told

In a nut shell:
Bought a used pistol (2nd firearm I have purchased here). I'm not a gun smith with a trained eye nor was I able to test fire.
Gun won't feed and has been bubbed.
Owner claims he test fires all used firearms before selling. No way in hell he got this to run.

Talked to PW&G yesterday and they said it's now my problem.

See link in signature if you care for details. Will be sending it to a qualified smith for repairs.

On a side note I bought a well used 1911 from So Cal Gun a few years ago. Front sites came loose after shooting it for the 1st time. They paid to have it fixed!

Buyer beware at Poway Weapons & Gear.

[sd_shooter]

Well played.

I have never had trouble there, good store and good folks.

[762ch]

Both sides of the story are very important! That was a very professional way to handle that, I would feel comfortable shopping there.

OP should prob remove that signature line...

[RandyD]

And as Paul Harvey used to famously say, ...and now for the rest of the story.

[Kimber]

Ammo is ammo. If the slide won' shut...

Clearly...

In any case, I have been in John's store several times and never had a problem. I will continue to go there, and I will continue to recommend it to others.

[DuneShoot]

John,
Thanks for the reply.
"As-Is" was not clearly marked nor was it mentioned. I should have asked about a warranty as I have in the past at other stores.
Yes it did cycle 1 or 2 times by hand with your hollow points, I appoligize for not mentioning it. Cycling by hand and firing it are 2 different things.

The only "issue I would not entertain" was my ammo which was 124gr and your HP's, I'm guessing, were 115gr. As soon as you heard reloads that was automatically the issue. But I decided to take your advice of trying factory ammo about an hour after I left your store on Monday. I used American Eagle 115gr and had the same issues. I went to discount gun mart in Santee I don't expect you to believe that statement because you implied that I or someone else dremeled this firearm since TWO of your staff members "very much disagree with there being any grinding or polishing marks on the gun." I can assure you the only thing I did to this gun was add ammo. Maybe you could check DGM's video? the fact is the frame and barrel have been modified.

Another issue: You said "Our policy is not to buy such guns." I specifically asked if this was a consignment gun or store owned and was told store owned. If this is the case how can you sell an off-roster pistol? It wasn't a private party sale as I paid sales tax. For the record it says consignment on the receipt.

I took this gun to Alan Tanaka. I know you've never heard of him but he is highly recommended here. He inspected it closely and came to the conclusion that the frame is for a .45 while the upper half, slide stop, and ejector are for a 9mm. He measured the distance from the slide stop to the frame feed ramp.
Spec for a .45 is .780-.790
Spec for a 9mm is .820- .830
Mine measured at .782
The only way I can be sure is to pay Colt for a formal letter to see if it was shipped as a .45 or 9.

Bottom line is I paid a premium and then some for a non functioning firearm. I won't have it back for 3-6 months from Alan.

Thanks for the offer to pay the PPT for the 'generous' offers I have been given on this no functioning firearm.

[toddh]

I'm curious as to what make and model this gun was ??

[DuneShoot]

Colt Commander 9mm. Link in Sig shows pic's and details.

[sl0re10]

I've sold "working but as is" stuff and if it was doa from the get go for a customer; that warrants a refund (esp with something like a firearm with a serial number trail). After some use; not so much. But out of the box? Naaa.

It strongly implies it never fully tested good as claimed.

[toddh]

Well....after reading the other thread, hearing the victims story and hearing your side, I would that you didn't do much if anything to help the customer.
You should have at least taken the gun into the back and done a more thorough inspection, but you essentially told him to kick rocks.
And in the story, the victim claims your people couldn't get the hollow points to load, you said they did load. Somebody is mistaken on that account.

Fact is, you are responsible as a business owner to stand behind ANY product you sell....new/used/whatever. That is just good business, and you did CHOOSE to sell the gun, and there seems to still be some question as to whether this gun was a store gun, or a consignment.

So until you do something....anything to help make this gun safe and reliable, I will side with the customer on this one.

I do not know the victim, nor do I have a dog in the fight. But the guy is having issues with a product you sold, and PWG haven't done much if anything to make it right.

[DuneShoot]

He was able to get HP's to feed manually.

I can't get factory or reloaded 115 or 124gr to run.