Since when is riveting mags to 10rd OK?

[thedrickel]

It is my belief that the general consensus among the more knowledgeable CGN'ers was that in order to convert a hicap mag into a 10rd or less mag, the modifications were required to be "permanent", with permanent meaning that attempts to revert to hicap status would more or less require destruction of the mag. Suitable methods included welding, filling with epoxy, etc.

Now, I see almost nothing but pop riveted, set screwed, etc., mags for sale, and I'm wondering, since when is that an acceptable method of permanency? Is there any documentation that supports either position?

[69Mach1]

Wondering the same thing.

[AJAX22]

I'm all for pushing limits, but I personally don't think that poprivits or setscrews work.

I like RSSLVR and JPGLEE1's meathod

[vega]

I like RSSLVR and JPGLEE1's meathod

Which method would that be?

[DJMAN]

What about lowers? Found this AJAX.




May 10th, 2006, 04:28 AM #3
AJAX22
Senior Member



Join Date: 11-09-05
Posts: 850 well lets hope they don't figure out that a guy with a pocketknife and some free time can mod one of the synthetic bushmasters in about half an hour. sealed magwell or not.

but then again it takes what? three hours with a jig and a 80%lower to fab one up from scratch?

they just can't seem to wrap there heads around the fact that they are only hurting those of us who want to live within the bounds of the law. by criminilizing the gun instead of the action, they create a class of criminals out of patriots and civic minded citizens who don't seek anything but life liberty and the pursuit of happienss, accompanied by the security that the 2nd ammendment offers to those ends.

[DJMAN]

Maybe it needs glue too like the:


California Legal AR15 M4 Rifle by Vulcan Armament,.223 semi auto rifle ,this rifle features ,16 inch carbine length M4 barrel, flash hider ,bayonet lug,A-2 sights,telescoping M4 stock,forged upper & lower, these rifles sport the real look and feel of the AR15.

[leelaw]

Lowers do not need to be permanently modified to not accept detachable magazines because "permanence" is not a requirement in the penal code.

High capacity magazines modified to be low capacity magazines need to be PERMANENTLY modified to hold 10 or less rounds, becuase "permanence" is specifically recuired by law.

I would NEVER accept a high capacity magazine fixed to hold 10 rounds or less by a pop rivet or set screw ONLY, since it can easily be reverted to a high capacity magazine.

Whittling open the magazine well in the Bushmaster Carbon-15 lowers is not illegal, because of the above reasons, plus because the Carbon-15 lower is an off-list AR lower receiver.

[DJMAN]

Its was a JOKE. you know HA..HA..


Now back to the mag problem please.

[leelaw]

Its was a JOKE. you know HA..HA..

Now back to the mag problem please.

I just gave an explanation to an apparent question. Was my response offensive or something?

[DJMAN]

Naw Im done.

[AJAX22]

I know DJMAN, and I stand by that post.

The problem I have with the setscrew/pop rivit meathod is that not only is it easily reversable (possibly even without tools), but also the fact that it can revert back to high capacity on accident.

pop rivits can work loose over time, set screws can back out etc. (yes it is unlikely but it could happen)

Some of those mods look like they could be forced to hold 11 rounds just by applying excessive hand pressure loading.

[hoffmang]

I can't just yet comment on why, but I can say that if someone were to use a method that was referred to in the old failed rulemaking (text here), one would be pretty safe.

-Gene

[weezil_boi]

I wont mess with the pop rivet crap either. I worry about it wearing down or bending/snapping off. The what? Besides that, I had a phone call with a DOJ guy asking about the SKS and tossed in a Q about the hi-cap mag bodies being permanently converted to create 10/30 mags... his response was that a 30 rd mag Permanently altered to restrict the load to 10 rds or lead is fine... BUT if any portion of the magazine body ( such as a cavity below the pinned / welded 10 rd base plate) allows you to "store" additional ammo, it would be a Hi-cap as the ammunition is not required to be engaged by the spring/follower to be considered in the round count.

So... make sure that there is no way to disassemble that 10/30 mag and shove more ammo into the bottom of it. Fill that void with epoxy or tack weld those floorplates on.

Maybe he is a moron and has no idea what hes talking about. But I can just see that arguement cause hell for some poor bast@rd that bought a Hi-cap with a pop rivit and some spray paint.

- my 1.5 cents

[yellowsulphur]

I can't just yet comment on why, but I can say that if someone were to use a method that was referred to in the old failed rulemaking (text here), one would be pretty safe.

-Gene

403 error

[SunriseF150]

Yeah riveted and set screw mags won't cut it for me. I'm going to do csome 10/20 pmags and epoxy the floor plate on. taking it apart would mean pretty much destroying it. Better to be safe, than a test case and sorry.