Obama

[Bad Voodoo]

I talk to my liberal friends and acquaintances about this, telling them the difference, and they look at me like I got a penis growing out of my forehead.

Hmm... I don't have any liberal friends, but those I've seen in person actually do have penises growing out of their heads.

[xrMike]

He wants to ban all semi-autos. Supports most gun bans.

But as president, how much power will he actually have to implement such policies? As prez, doesn't he have very little control over such matters (relative to Congress, I mean)?

[Danield]

But as president, how much power will he actually have to implement such policies? As prez, doesn't he have very little control over such matters (relative to Congress, I mean)?

Well since some people still believe that Bush is the only person responsible for the Iraq war, then Obama will be all powerful too.

[Bad Voodoo]

But as president, how much power will he actually have to implement such policies? As prez, doesn't he have very little control over such matters (relative to Congress, I mean)?

He'll be rubber-stamping every wingnut bill to ban firearms-related liberty that he receives (if his Senate voting record is any indication).

[lawaia]

Instead of sitting around boo-hooing and what-iffing, we need to do what we can to make sure he does not get elected in the first place. I'm making sure everyone that I know finds out who he really is. This guy CANNOT become our next President!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

[tankerman]

Not one pro-Obama member chimed in.

[dfletcher]

We're this far into election season and the question about him is still being asked by people who have - or ought to have - more at stake and better knowledge? This does not bode well for the millions of casual gun owners and those non - gun owners who would support our position and oppose Obama's position on gun ownership, if only they knew his position on gun control.

Specifically, he supports the DC gun ban . He supports a ban on gun stores within 5 miles of a school. He opposes the gun manufacturer's liability relief law, he opposes Tiahart. He supports an AW ban, he opposes CCW laws. Aside from the Katrina bill, a vote which I would not absolutely ascribe to the gun issue, I do not know of a single pro - gun Obama vote in the Senate or in his Chicago politics days.

Past behavior, not campaign rhetoric, is the best indicator of future behavior. Works in evaluating employees, works well in evaluating candidates

If a gun owner makes a reasonable and well informed decision to vote for this fellow based on other isses, that's one set of circumstances I suppose. But any gun owner who votes for this fellow with the hope he'll do anything other than eliminate your gun rights is either delusional, ignorant or stupid.

[Bad Voodoo]

Not one pro-Obama member chimed in.

What could they possibly say?

[maxicon]

Yeah, even if someone thinks Obama may be better for the country overall, there can be absolutely no doubt that he'll be bad for our 2nd amendment rights.

"Reinstate the AW ban" says everything you need to know about his stance on guns.

[Hopi]

What could they possibly say?

Well, it should start with.....
"Sorry" and "At this point, is there anything I can do to help stop this from happening?"

[xrMike]

If a gun owner makes a reasonable and well informed decision to vote for this fellow based on other isses, that's one set of circumstances I suppose. But any gun owner who votes for this fellow with the hope he'll do anything other than eliminate your gun rights is either delusional, ignorant or stupid.

I'm certainly not going to vote for him, but I don't think it's as bad as you all are making it out to be.

The man can't initiate or declare new laws on his own. He can only decline to veto whatever anti-gun legislation Congress might pass.

In which case, there would be a lot more Reps and Senators who were much more responsible and guilty than him for getting that anti-gun law(s) passed.

And yeah, there's the argument that the Prez is responsible for POSSIBLY (with no guarantee of it actually happening) appointing new members to the Supreme Court, that argument is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO ALL CALIFORNIA VOTERS.

This state's entire allocation of electoral votes has gone to the Democratic candidate for the last 4 presidential elections, and there's been no change in demographics to indicate that's gonna change this time around. If anything, it's gone more to the left, with the anti-war sentiment that Bush has created.

Voting for McCain, voting for Ron Paul, voting for anybody other than Obama -- it doesn't matter in this state. Obama cleans up in CA no matter WHAT you do. That's why arguments about gun issues (as they relate to the prez) and supreme court appointees, and telling people they should vote for McCain in CA, it's all pointless, imo.

It's up to the rest of the country to keep him out of office.

[ArmedCitizen]

Thanks for the reply's. The spoof YouTube videos aren't helpful but in his own words is a great reference. I'm curious to see if he starts to move more center as the November election gets closer to capture those independent votes.

xrMike - Votes always matter. They send a message. Which is why I always vote in every election even if I know the electoral college isn't going to go my way. Try not to be so apathetic, especially about such an important topic in such an important election.

[xrMike]

xrMike - Votes always matter. They send a message. Which is why I always vote in every election even if I know the electoral college isn't going to go my way. Try not to be so apathetic, especially about such an important topic in such an important election.

Oh, I'm not apathetic. I wasn't suggesting that others not vote either. Even when I know my vote won't matter in the end, the act of doing it matters to me.

If CA had an electoral process where the votes were apportioned to each candidate as they were in the general election, then I might vote for McCain, because then it would matter. But since they all go to whoever gets the majority of general election votes, which will certainly be Obama, I will vote for the person I really wanted in the first place.

Ron Paul of course.

That'll be my statement. Hopefully the Republican party picks up on it.

[UBFRAGD]

I couldn't be more sick of this election. There is no greater indicator that America is going socialist than the media-generated hype around this guy.

p. 10 American Rifleman May '08. Read about your choper Hussein. He is against the very idea of self-defense. Hale DeMar is the living proof that "When seconds count the police are only minutes away.." Minutes away from arresting you if you engaged in self-defense. Sorry to be such a mono-topical poster, the idea of self-defense is under massive attack and no one seems to be addressing this, in fact, CG is just a subset of self-defense as far as I'm concerned.

choper=one who chopes=a belief in change and hope for the sake of change and hope

1998 he pledged to ban all forms of semi-automatic weapons. It can't get any clearer than that.

[MrTuffPaws]

Well, it should start with.....
"Sorry" and "At this point, is there anything I can do to help stop this from happening?"

How about: Sorry, but I am more than willing to risk Obama than risk the possibility of McCain carrying on the Bush legacy?