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  • goletagun
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 21

    Anyone know what make/model gun this is?

    It has no markings that I can find except for the serial number (three digit) stamped a couple places. And, as can be seen on the last picture, has a euro style mag release.

    It appears to be a .380

    Thanks!











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    goletagun
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 21

    One more pic
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    • #3
      NoSpam
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2013
      • 711

      No idea but it looks really interesting

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      • #4
        hambam105
        Calguns Addict
        • Jan 2013
        • 7083

        Could that be a CIA gun?

        Never saw that before.

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        • #5
          Peter.Steele
          Calguns Addict
          • Oct 2010
          • 7351

          Looks like it was probably built in someone's basement in, I'm going to guess, Japan / Vietnam / China. I almost want to lean toward China, because it's got design cues from some of the Mauser pistols, but the rounded part at the back end, where you grip for cocking, is somewhat reminiscent of Japanese S/A pistols.

          In short, no real idea what it is, but that's my best guess.
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          • #6
            mrkubota
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2005
            • 1372

            Originally posted by Blackpowder Bob
            The barrel, front sight and lug are Mauser 1910/34. The frame reminds me of a Colt 1900 automatic. The ejection cover and cocking grip, Nambu influence. Absence of identifying marks point to Chinese. Some kind of prototype or pieced together from parts? Agree with Peter.Steele. Surely a date range of about 1910-1920.
            ... the frame looks like some of the old Astra pistols I've seen..

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            • #7
              Peter.Steele
              Calguns Addict
              • Oct 2010
              • 7351

              After a little more work, I'm going to call this almost 100% Chinese manufacture, and very probably from the 1930's.

              Here's a couple of rather similar works from the same time period. Not quite identical, but there's some VERY definite family resemblances. I'm going to guess that the gun in your pictures is somewhat later than these, though, because it's got more Japanese influences to it.

              I'm guessing it's chambered for .32 ACP.
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              • #8
                curtru
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2012
                • 1278

                I've seen a few but can't remember what they are I'll check my old gun catalogs to find out.
                But looking at it a second time looks like a fn based off of the 1903 Browning could be a 762 mouauser pistol and not a 380acp
                Last edited by curtru; 08-03-2013, 1:06 PM.

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                • #9
                  BigL
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2013
                  • 678

                  Intresting pistol. Theres a guy on youtube with the channel named forgotten wepons that would probably know suscribe and PM him im sure h would be happy to take a look at it.
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                  • #10
                    The Gleam
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                    • Feb 2011
                    • 12576

                    Originally posted by Peter.Steele
                    After a little more work, I'm going to call this almost 100% Chinese manufacture, and very probably from the 1930's.

                    I'm guessing it's chambered for .32 ACP.
                    I'm thinking the same time-period, but possibly Spanish, not Chinese. The fit, machining, and finish appear to be better than what you see on the Chinese examples.
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                    If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                    • #11
                      michaelthetrojan
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 1070

                      Originally posted by The Gleam
                      I'm thinking the same time-period, but possibly Spanish, not Chinese. The fit, machining, and finish appear to be better than what you see on the Chinese examples.
                      i agree. i had a 1940s spainish 1911 knock off and the grip and handle were very similar

                      also the hammer strike plate is round and the spainish are know for having round objects.. sombreros for instance.....
                      Last edited by michaelthetrojan; 08-03-2013, 1:32 PM. Reason: no one expects the spainish... acquisition...

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                      • #12
                        Eat Dirt
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                        • Nov 2007
                        • 9609

                        Take it to 'Rick' on Pawn Stars

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                        • #13
                          SVT-40
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                          • Jan 2008
                          • 12901

                          It's a Bonifacoi Echeverria (Star) model 14/19 Probably a "officers" model, as it has the shorter barrel. Originally in 7.65 Browning. Since there are no markings it could be a Chinese copy of the Star....

                          Probably worth about $250
                          Last edited by SVT-40; 08-03-2013, 10:38 PM.
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                          • #14
                            mikenewgun87
                            In Memoriam
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 7732

                            Brown recluse with extended flux capacitor...

                            Serious note....do anyone else thing that thing is......not very attractive?

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                              Peter.Steele
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 7351

                              Originally posted by SVT-40
                              It's a Bonifacoi Echeverria (Star) model 14/19 Probably a "officers" model, as it has the shorter barrel. Originally in 7.65 Browning. Since there are no markings it could be a Chinese copy of the Star....

                              Probably worth about $250



                              Nope.


                              You'd have to ignore almost every detail of the Star 1914 design to make that comparison and make it stick.


                              This is a Star 1914. Granted, it's not the officer's model, since it's got the long barrel, but you can still see the basic form of the gun.








                              Look at this second one, and look at the front end of the barrel. The locking mechanism is completely different from the pistol that OP asked about.




                              It might have some Star heritage in its design - but I'm not sold on that - but it's got far more design cues that come from Mauser and Nambu.
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