Microstamping? something that i dont get.

[bohoki]

the bullet is engraved by the rifleing but there is no way match it to a gun without having the gun to provide a sample bullet to compare

i suppose they could come up with some kind digital rifling button

with 6 grooves say you could vary each one with a large medium or small cutter that would be like 700 different combos add an extra large and and extra small you coudl really narrow down the search of suspects and its pattern could just be encoded in the serial number

[RonnieP]

Yes and 3 seconds with a piece of emery cloth removes any stamping on a firing pin. This is never gonna work....

Make it illegal to remove the micro stamping.

[CBruce]

the bullet is engraved by the rifleing but there is no way match it to a gun without having the gun to provide a sample bullet to compare

i suppose they could come up with some kind digital rifling button

with 6 grooves say you could vary each one with a large medium or small cutter that would be like 700 different combos add an extra large and and extra small you coudl really narrow down the search of suspects and its pattern could just be encoded in the serial number

AKA "Ballistic Fingerprinting"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_fingerprinting

Make it illegal to remove the micro stamping.

And how do you enforce that exactly? Do you send cops out to every range and gun shop and have them dissassemble and inspect the firing pins of every gun under a microscope? Do you just charge people with it after the fact? IE, will a busted taillight on the way back from a gun range result in you ending up in jail because the micro-stamping on your well-used handgun's worn down without your knowledge?

These people have no idea how to prevent violent crime. All they can offer is a bunch of "solutions" for minimizing damage or being able to prosecute people after the fact, all while lying about how they're "keeping us safe".

[rg_1111@yahoo.com]

Make it illegal to remove the micro stamping.

How many criminals do you think are going to follow the law?

[Paper Boy]

Make it illegal to remove the micro stamping.

If its on the firing pin I would guess a mag or two of my hot 10mm and 9x25 Dillon loads would remove it for me.... Normal wear and tear.

[RonnieP]

How many criminals do you think are going to follow the law?

Who said anything about controlling criminals? People will piss and moan about it, but they will comply.

And if you get arrested because you filed off the firing pin, then the people on here will jump on you for not complying with the law.

"Play stupid Games" right?

[alfred1222]

If its on the firing pin I would guess a mag or two of my hot 10mm and 9x25 Dillon loads would remove it for me.... Normal wear and tear.

This, or load with harder primers and hotter loads

[SgtMerc]

These people have no idea how to prevent violent crime. All they can offer is a bunch of "solutions" for minimizing damage or being able to prosecute people after the fact, all while lying about how they're "keeping us safe".

The problem which nobody (the public) seems to consider is that laws do not exist to stop crime. They exist to punish crime. That's why they're called "penal codes"

The idea of punishment is what deters people from committing crimes, not the laws themselves. It's a crime to jaywalk, but since nobody enforces the law, nobody cares about the penalty. We law abiding citizens will not commit crimes because we care about the penalty. Criminals do not, and never have, else they wouldn't commit the crimes.

[CGT80]

the bullet is engraved by the rifleing but there is no way match it to a gun without having the gun to provide a sample bullet to compare

i suppose they could come up with some kind digital rifling button

with 6 grooves say you could vary each one with a large medium or small cutter that would be like 700 different combos add an extra large and and extra small you coudl really narrow down the search of suspects and its pattern could just be encoded in the serial number

That wouldn't even work on my XD 40 with the way it is setup. I'll skip the details just in case undesirables are reading this. Where there is a will, there is a way. Criminals will find a way to get around what stands in their way, some don't even care so much about getting caught.

The anti's say we need new measures to catch who committed the crime. Once the crime is committed, it is too late. Sure, they should be punished, but what we really want is for the crime not to happen in the first place.

Every effort in the world to stop crime, will not eliminate it. People will do bad things. The anti's remind me of my 6th grade PE teachers. When a couple boys got in trouble, the entire class had to do drills even though they followed the rules.

[SilverTauron]

Lets look at it this way.

Here's how the micro stamping law will be enforced.If the police ever encounter a law abiding persons guns in the course of a traffic stop or some other form of contact, they'll have to "seize " the gun for ballistic analysis.This law lays the groundwork for a justification for gun seizure after purchase; as the only way to verify a micro stamp works is to actually fire the piece. Officer Gungrabber can't do that on the side of the road.

A gun owner them gets to wait 60 days before he's either given his gun back or a warrant for arrest instead.Then the citizen gets to spend 20k on legal fees in criminal court.

[JoshuaS]

Note, if it only required that the firing pin bear said stamp, that could be done without too much cost/retooling to manufacturers.

The law actually requires that the case be stamped in TWO different places, at most one of which is the firing pin.

[Bainter1212]

So if you needed a new firing pin, you would have to get the gun recertified by the state???? Oh great, how about we create an entire new bureacracy around registering guns. Look at the size and scope of the DMV, and that's just to keep our cars registered.

[JoshuaS]

So if you needed a new firing pin, you would have to get the gun recertified by the state???? Oh great, how about we create an entire new bureacracy around registering guns. Look at the size and scope of the DMV, and that's just to keep our cars registered.

No, this does not follow. FWIW, you can remove a grip safety from a 1911 and the thumb safety (roster requires manual and positive safety), the mag disconnect safety after a Ruger (roster requires that too), etc. Just cannot sell it as an FFL

[ldsnet]

Firing pins and barrels are easily replaced. Good luck having a micro stamped bullet be recovered from a crime scene and be able to track it back to a particular gun.

Somebody watched "Judge Dread" (the original) and decided this piece of science fiction would work in the real world.

Nothing more than an attempt to raise the cost and lower availability of guns

[Manco]

It's a form of idol worship. "All hail technology! We will be saved by that which we have wrought with our hands!"

That's right, and obviously the problem is that there is no technology that one person can create that another cannot defeat--humans are clever that way. Sometimes it's not so easy, but in this case it's extremely easy to defeat and/or subvert, and therefore pointless except for infringing on our rights and forcing us to expend significant resources to defend ourselves and the American way of life. They're counting on us to wear down and admit defeat, as they never will--such is the fundamental nature of all government.

These people have no idea how to prevent violent crime. All they can offer is a bunch of "solutions" for minimizing damage or being able to prosecute people after the fact, all while lying about how they're "keeping us safe".

They don't even want to reduce violent crime, except when it would directly help get them reelected. This is because violent crime is a useful tool for increasing government power and control. Lawmakers see their job as making as many new laws as possible, which of course makes as many of us potential criminals as possible. They ran out of real crimes a long time ago, so they've turned to making criminals out of those who have done nothing wrong morally or ethically, and have not hurt nor intend to hurt others--you know, decent people who are exercising their natural or God-given, if you prefer, rights that are protected explicitly by the Constitution.