Shooting on Soboba Indian Rez

[Quiet]

I heard about this cause I slave for the redman and the bosses were talking about it.

SOBOBA INDIAN RESERVATION - Five sheriff's deputies fired their weapons during a gun battle that ended with the death of a 26-year-old San Jacinto man who investigators say was armed with an assault rifle, said Sgt. Dean Spivacke.

The deputies were part of two groups of officers who were fired upon before Eli Morillo was shot multiple times near Poppet Flats Road, Spivacke said. The gunfire took place in a remote area of the reservation east of San Jacinto.

Spivacke said investigators are still piecing together the events surrounding Thursday's shooting and are searching for two others who were with Morillo, including one suspect investigators believe fired a weapon during the gun battle.

Riverside County sheriff's deputies were patrolling the reservation about 12:15 a.m. when someone began shooting at them with assault rifles, said Investigator Jerry Franchville. The Riverside County coroner's office listed Morillo's time of death as 11:30 p.m. Wednesday.

After the shooting, dozens of officers converged on the reservation, which was closed off for hours as investigators combed the area looking for the other two suspects. A gun recovered from the scene appears to be an AR-15 assault rifle, Franchville said.

Morillo was the second member of his family to die in a gunfight with deputies. His brother, Peter Morillo, 27, died in October 2002 at a Valle Vista house after barricading himself inside.

Their mother, Rosemary Morillo, has served as a Tribal Council member and was chairwoman until earlier this year.

Knowing how the natvies at Soboba really are, it's most likely an illegally aquired and imported AR15 type rifle.
From my experience almost all the natvies I know/have associated with/met on rez, disregard all CA gun laws and barely put an effort in complying with federal gun laws.

[Stormfeather]

I heard about this cause I slave for the redman and the bosses were talking about it.



Knowing how the natvies at Soboba really are, it's most likely an illegally aquired and imported AR15 type rifle.
From my experience almost all the natvies I know/have associated with/met on rez, disregard all CA gun laws and barely put an effort in complying with federal gun laws.

Yes, all of us Natives are that way. . . . we enjoy breaking the white mans laws at every chance we get. My question is, what were Riverside deputies doing on Tribal Lands? They have no place being there, while the reservation may lie within their county, the reservation itself is tribal land, and therefore county police have no say-so there. It falls under tribal police or federal agents jurisdiction.

[hawk1]

Riverside County sheriff's deputies were patrolling the reservation about 12:15 a.m.

Reads like the tribe has given them patrol rights. Which they can take away as well. If they didn't approve of the shooting, then you'll read about them getting the boot.

[Stormfeather]

Reads like the tribe has given them patrol rights. Which they can take away as well. If they didn't approve of the shooting, then you'll read about them getting the boot.

Yep, thats what its sounding like to me. Personally, I dont like it when tribes do this, because then you have non-tribal members enforcing laws on a reservation, and leads to encoutners such as this.

[Quiet]

Several Tribes located in Riverside County (Soboba & Morongo to name a few) contract with the Riverside County Sheriff Department to provide law enforcement services on their reservations.

This is because their Reservation Patrol do not meet the BIA standards to be considered law enforcement.

This didn't make the news, but thought I'd share...
Last shooting involving the Riverside County Sheriff at Morongo was when a deputy had a negligent discharge while serving an arrest warrant on the reservation. Deputy shot himself in the foot with an AR15, while walking up to the house to serve the warrant.

[crunchy]

Don't be fooled into thinking this situation was about noble Native Americans struggling with "the man" and fighting the good fight against oppression and stinky gun laws.

These individuals were gangster dirt bags, the scum of the scum.

We're not talking Iron Eyes Cody crying when he sees stupid white-eyes throwing McDonald's wrappers out the window... we're talking stone cold gangsters. We're talking criminals. We're talking folks who look like the worst of the worst inner city gang members and act the same way. I mean truly, these guys are/were absolute thugs.

We're talking methamphetamine and other illegal drugs, unlawfully acquired guns, crime on and off the Res, and stone cold a-holes who like to shoot it out with Law Enforcement.

These are folks who are an embarrassment to decent folk everywhere, including the decent Tribe members.

Think about it before you take sides and use this as a discussion about Tribal rights, gun rights, and who gets to patrol where. In this case, the folks who shot it out with the Po-Po are the bad guys and the Po-Po are the good guys.

We have an uphill battle in overturning bad anti-gun legislation in this fine state of ours, and siding with turds that good people wouldn't want to be in the same room with doesn't help our cause any.

[C.G.]

Well said, Crunchy.

[Stormfeather]

Don't be fooled into thinking this situation was about noble Native Americans struggling with "the man" and fighting the good fight against oppression and stinky gun laws.
These individuals were gangster dirt bags, the scum of the scum.
We're not talking Iron Eyes Cody crying when he sees stupid white-eyes throwing McDonald's wrappers out the window... we're talking stone cold gangsters. We're talking criminals. We're talking folks who look like the worst of the worst inner city gang members and act the same way. I mean truly, these guys are/were absolute thugs.
We're talking methamphetamine and other illegal drugs, unlawfully acquired guns, crime on and off the Res, and stone cold a-holes who like to shoot it out with Law Enforcement.
These are folks who are an embarrassment to decent folk everywhere, including the decent Tribe members.
Think about it before you take sides and use this as a discussion about Tribal rights, gun rights, and who gets to patrol where. In this case, the folks who shot it out with the Po-Po are the bad guys and the Po-Po are the good guys.
We have an uphill battle in overturning bad anti-gun legislation in this fine state of ours, and siding with turds that good people wouldn't want to be in the same room with doesn't help our cause any.

Well, thank you for your insight on this. Im assuming that since you know so much of the details, you are a member of the reservation in question. Or you are a LEO who works in the area perhaps? And also, im curious about your blanket statement about natives involved being

These individuals were gangster dirt bags, the scum of the scum.
We're not talking Iron Eyes Cody crying when he sees stupid white-eyes throwing McDonald's wrappers out the window... we're talking stone cold gangsters. We're talking criminals. We're talking folks who look like the worst of the worst inner city gang members and act the same way. I mean truly, these guys are/were absolute thugs.
We're talking methamphetamine and other illegal drugs, unlawfully acquired guns, crime on and off the Res, and stone cold a-holes who like to shoot it out with Law Enforcement.

Did you know them personally?

Im wondering if you are talking about people of that reservation, or just the criminal element on that reservation. You statement says nothing about how this happens in Compton, Hawaiian Gardens, National City, San Ysidro, Oak Park Sacramento, or Oakland, doesnt the same thing happen there, exactly as you describe it? Why did you so choose to label the natives on that reservation that way?

And Im sure you understand the dilemna that reservations face when they have LEO's working on reservations that dont really care about tribal law. I am not chosing sides here, im merely pointing out that Riverside Deputies had no place being on a reservation unless the Tribal Council granted Patrol rights to that agency. Which apparently is the case.
Trust me when I say, Im not fooled, I grew up on a reservation, I know poverty, I know what gov't cheese and milk taste like. Ive seen the effects of alcohol, drugs use, and laziness thats promoted on the reservations. Ive also seen what Fetal Alcohol Effect does to infants on a reservation, and how the gov't doesnt really seem to care, Even though it was that same gov't that introduced the alcohol and drugs to the native american. Ive also seen natives use the govt funding and go to college, get an education, and start business's, and become fortune 500 business owners. Look up Hard Rock Cafe, and see who the true owners of it is. You may be surprised. But im not fooled, I know what happens on the reservation also happens in EVERY major city in the united states, as well and most smaller cities as well. Maybe you should look to clean up the streets of Hometown USA before you worry about the reservations. As far as shooting it out with "the po-po" as you call them, maybe you should look towards yourself and getting yourself right before you cast judgement on others. Just my .02, and ymmv.

[Hopi]

My question is, what were Riverside deputies doing on Tribal Lands? They have no place being there

That was my first question.


My second question is, where do these 'imported' machine guns generally come from? Are they foreign military-contract weapons, stolen post 86 dealer samples......?

[crunchy]

Stormfeather, no offense intended towards yourself or other decent folk, no matter what their race, creed, religion, nationality, or pigmentation might be.

I am not a member of the Soboba tribe, nor am I a Native American. I have however put my life on the line alongside partners of Sioux, Mescalero Apache, Comanche, and one of those SoCal "Band of Mission Indians" tribal affiliations and would have fought to the death for any of them.

I have no axe to grind with any decent Native American, and know that Anglos both within and outside of the US Gov't have done them dirty, dirty, dirty. Fortunately my ancestors immigrated here after all that crap, and to a part of the country that was so urbanized there were no Reservations there, so I don't have to internalize any of that shame.

Having said that, the particular thugs involved in this shootout are everything I said they were, if not more. I don't give a damn if they were blue, green, purple, white, black, red, or orange. They're the criminal element, and not because of their heritage or where they're from. And while I haven't broken bread with them, or had them over for tea and crumpets, I do know what I'm talking about. They're bad, bad people.

Please don't make any of those icky places you mentioned my responsibility for cleanup. I work every day taking out the trash, but I don't have a shovel big enough for those places.

My comments were not intended as a condemnation of Native Americans in general or at large, and I'm sorry you took them as such.

Assuming the images on your message footers mean what I think they do, thank you for your service.

I'm not divulging my sources or affiliations on a public forum such as this one, but you can take it to the bank... these crooks were real bastards. Nothing even vaguely Robin Hood about them. Really, I don't think you want to use them as a reason we shouldn't have non-tribal LEOs on the Res, or stick up for them, or get upset they tussled with RSD. I wasn't there personally but I sincerely doubt this was an accident or misunderstanding, or about indignation at the Deputies for being on Tribal lands.

[Saigon1965]

Sovereign nation aren't they? I'd disregard other laws too.

[Stormfeather]

Stormfeather, no offense intended towards yourself or other decent folk, no matter what their race, creed, religion, nationality, or pigmentation might be.

I am not a member of the Soboba tribe, nor am I a Native American. I have however put my life on the line alongside partners of Sioux, Mescalero Apache, Comanche, and one of those SoCal "Band of Mission Indians" tribal affiliations and would have fought to the death for any of them.

I have no axe to grind with any decent Native American, and know that Anglos both within and outside of the US Gov't have done them dirty, dirty, dirty. Fortunately my ancestors immigrated here after all that crap, and to a part of the country that was so urbanized there were no Reservations there, so I don't have to internalize any of that shame.

Having said that, the particular thugs involved in this shootout are everything I said they were, if not more. I don't give a damn if they were blue, green, purple, white, black, red, or orange. They're the criminal element, and not because of their heritage or where they're from. And while I haven't broken bread with them, or had them over for tea and crumpets, I do know what I'm talking about. They're bad, bad people.

Please don't make any of those icky places you mentioned my responsibility for cleanup. I work every day taking out the trash, but I don't have a shovel big enough for those places.

My comments were not intended as a condemnation of Native Americans in general or at large, and I'm sorry you took them as such.

Assuming the images on your message footers mean what I think they do, thank you for your service.

I'm not divulging my sources or affiliations on a public forum such as this one, but you can take it to the bank... these crooks were real bastards. Nothing even vaguely Robin Hood about them. Really, I don't think you want to use them as a reason we shouldn't have non-tribal LEOs on the Res, or stick up for them, or get upset they tussled with RSD. I wasn't there personally but I sincerely doubt this was an accident or misunderstanding, or about indignation at the Deputies for being on Tribal lands.

Please feel free to pm me, as this seems to be something that may involve OpSec, I would like some further insight into the situations if possible, I am more than willing to take this to a private level if you are willing to continue a dialogue in regards to it.

Yes, the footer on my sig line is my personal salad, it is actually a few items short, but I dont like advertising everything/everywhere Ive been.

[Stormfeather]

Sovereign nation aren't they? I'd disregard other laws too.

Yes, a reservation is considered a Sovereign Nation, thats why I have an issue with a local LEO patrolling it and enforcing non-tribal law. I akin it to a LEO driving into Canada and attempting to enforce American law.

[Hopi]

Yes, a reservation is considered a Sovereign Nation, thats why I have an issue with a local LEO patrolling it and enforcing non-tribal law. I akin it to a LEO driving into Canada and attempting to enforce American law.

I believe federal law still applies. That's why you can't cook meth, or possess un-taxed/reg'd machine guns on the rez.

[CalNRA]

I believe federal law still applies. That's why you can't cook meth, or possess un-taxed/reg'd machine guns on the rez.

what about California laws?