Put up or shut-up...

[glen avon]

As was said previously... this thread comes direct from ARFCOM.

Now where's that troll icon?

[Snuffalofogus]

Coming from someone who has not idea who he's talking too. Do you wear your BDU's at the range?

[Pouchey]

So using a gun for hunting lumps me in with anti-gunner's. Because I don't use my rifles like you that somehow makes me an anti? Your logic escapes me.

Coming from someone who has not idea who he's talking too. Do you wear your BDU's at the range?

Yeah, with a license plate like that I would expect you would be 300 meters back blended into the trees like a chameleon. Don't suppose you would need a whole lot of tactical pistol training from a for profit.

You are the leader of the anti-gun movement [/side splitting laughter]

[MaceWindu]

So all of you gentlemen who read:

BigAl: 1+ = Details

his AAR....who has gone?

TFTT is my next stop. Had a bro who went, said it was top notch.

Fjold

Any knowledge you have or wish to share, I am more than happy to listen to your input, advice, experience.

So all of you gents with the colorful comments, I will see you there?!

final thought: one of the instructors in tacticalresponse.com had an intersting quote that Mace should probably read:

Thats comes from Aaron Little. Great dude, great instructor from the last class I attended. BDU's at the range? ...hhmmmph...


IF any person here has a beef with James Yeager, you can pm me and I will give you his cell #. He will talk to ANYONE, regarding anything.

If you don't pm me and request the number...well, there you have it.

You are invited to join a class that is fairly local, learn something, anything. The course cirriculum is on the website, read it. Thats why the link is posted.

Too hardcore? ...yeah okay...next.

Mace

[spaceburger]

common Mace...

I read it and got nothing from the website as to my question:

So Mace...put up or shut up...what are the details?
Can you train with your rifle and pistol?
What caliber of ammo is required?
What type of range do we get to train on?
Limited to how many people?
Who are the instructors?
Range fees?
Overnight accomodations in SJ?

[Dump1567]

Not to hi-jack, but if your in So. Cal:

10-8 Consulting will be hosting a 3-day Intermediate/Advanced Carbine Operator's Course in Southern California at the Prado Olympic Shooting Park.

It is true there is no such thing as an "advanced gunfight", thus the curriculum will include a review of the fundamentals. Once that is accomplished, we will address issues such as shooting from asymmetrical positions, shooting on the move, strong hand only, weak hand shooting, barricade shooting, diagnostic drills, etc.,

Included in the curriculum will be an Advanced Operator Troubleshooting and Maintenance Course taught by Colt Factory Armorer Instructor Dean Caputo. Each student will learn how to properly diagnose problems and address the common (and not so common) issues that surround the AR15/M16 platform. Each student will also learn maintenance tips and tricks to keep their carbine running reliably, even in harsh conditions.

Ammunition requirements will be a MINIMUM of 1200 rounds carbine and 150 rounds pistol. As usual, the pace of the course will be dictated by the students, and we may or may not meet or exceed the estimated round count.

WHO: 10-8 Consulting LLC Staff Instructors Ben Lenett, Dean Caputo, and Tim Lau

WHAT: 3-DAY Advanced Carbine Operator's Course

WHERE: Prado Olympic Shooting Park

WHEN: July 28-30, 2006

COST: $450 (Registered Prior to July 1, 2006) or $480 (Registered July 1, 2006 or after)

To register, download the http://www.10-8forums.com/misc/IntCarbineRegForm.doc (MS Word Doc) and return with payment to the address given in the form. Payment in full is required to reserve a slot. As usual, proper credentialing (CCW, LE/Mil ID, or certification of good conduct) is required.

And here's some good info. from Pat Rogers on "Coming to Class".

http://www.eagtactical.com/article_coming_to_class.pdf

[MaceWindu]

I read it and got nothing from the website as to my question:

So Mace...put up or shut up...what are the details?
Can you train with your rifle and pistol?
What caliber of ammo is required?
What type of range do we get to train on?
Limited to how many people?
Who are the instructors?
Range fees?
Overnight accomodations in SJ?

Common Mace? ....hmmmppphh...

Ask, and you shall receive:

#1: Can you train with your rifle and pistol?

Sure, why not? Pistols are required to perform transition drills. AR's can be rented from Tactical Response, since they are from out of state, they can bring them to Kali for the purpose of training. AR rental fee is something I can get for you, but #'s are limited.

#2: What caliber of ammo is required?

What caliber you shootin?

#3. What type of range do we get to train on?

75 yrds wide, 200 long for (2) 9 hour days...you will go through lots of ammo.

#4. Limited to how many people?

About 20...

#5. Who are the instructors?

Allen Webb, James Yeager, Yancy Harrington, John Chapman, Aaron Little, Mookie (This dude is seriously squared away and per our conversations should be there if he is CONUS)...and more.

Bios are on the sight.

#6. Range fees?

$10 per day for (2) days: $20 total. You only have to pay for 1/2 the class now and the other half when the class starts.

I would like to have you there. Man, I just love to train.

#7: Overnight accomodations in SJ?

PM me and I will hook you up with some close to the range and my house (about 10 minutes from the range).

Mace

[MaceWindu]

SpaceBurger

So Mace...put up or shut up...what are the details?

Details:

(2) man approach and shooting from a barricade
Shooting from the supline, kneeling, prone positions
Malf drills
Malfunction clearance: type #1,2,3
Man down drills
Peeling
Communications, Communications, Communications
Shooting on the move
(2) man cover drills
CQB, room entry

and more...

Spaceburger, come on man! Lets go!

Mace

[CalGunsNoob]

yo mace,

have you considered enlisting? then you could take that hard chargin' hard core attitude and those skills and put them to some real use

[Jeff Rambo]

Pulled from somewhere "else" regarding Yeager's performance while in Iraq.

Yeager,

I can't hate you because that would be too easy, but some things need to get laid out about you. How you react is up to you, but no matter how you respond, it can't change my mind. Do I matter? I'm sure in your inflated ego mind, I don't, and that's fine. You've already stated that you have nothing to hide. Good for you that you're so up on yourself and you feel that way, but you just don't get it.

From day one of seeing your random bull**** on the internet, I knew you were a no-talent assclown cut from the same jock strap material as Suarez and Piazza. To this day, the start page of your Contractor DVD makes me laugh, with the two of you fools looking like Cooter and Enus in a pose-off. You may get a lot of props from the dumbass fools who worship you like a god, but you are far from it.

You profess to be all about the warrior culture and spirit, a thinking man and martial artist, yet you don't know the first of it and I'll share with you and your knob-slobbing entourage why:

I've read your BIAP road ambush posts, AAR, and watched the video several times. Funny how you admit you "****ed up", and then spend so much time deflecting attention away from your actions. "I ****ed up" is something you say when you get caught DUI, bang a transvestite hooker, or muzzle someone on a range. The more appropriate phrase is "I FAILED." Can you say that? Can you come out and admit it? In the real world of "big boys", you would have been relieved for cause, because you were found lacking when put to the ultimate test.

You cry about the problems with drinking, the leadership, the lack of training time. Then why the **** didn?t you just go ahead and jump ship man? Why didn?t you stop sniveling about spending a month with the team doing nothing, and make **** happen? Say it with me, "I FAILED."

The answer is simple, and you know it. You were just one of the many assclowns who come to Iraq to prove yourself, make money, and flip it all into some creds when you get back to the states and post the little tidbits on your website. You draw the bees to the honey, but they are just drones and weak-tit bitches. When faced with a close eye, you've tried to hide behind a sorry claim of never having served in the military and being "the guy with the least bit of time in the Middle East." The ambush happened at almost the year mark for you. Didn't you have your **** together by then? Face it fool, you were way out of your league, and always will be.

"We had our typical set of orders covering the aspects of the trip. We have heard them so many times we can all most likely recite them while asleep." If everyone knew the order so well, Johno should have known you had a critical bit of lifesaving kit like TraumaDex. ****, you should have remembered and said so when you got to Jay. Would it have meant a difference? Who knows now, but you must believe that there was a chance, otherwise you wouldn't have made the statement that you didn't think to tell Johno about it. You've spent more time bashing Johno for being unfit than being honest about yourself. Maybe if YOU had been calmer and in better control of yourself, you would have pulled it out and helped apply the TraumaDex.

I laugh at your piss-poor plea for pity because you put the car in neutral , set the emergency brake, and forgot. C'mon, based off the long list of training you credit yourself with, to include 3 schools where evasive driving techniques were taught (unless they were attended after you found you were unskilled after Iraq), I would expect you to know better. What the **** were you doing in a manual anyway? Even if your team decided to go semi-lowpro, and you bowed down and didn't stand up for something, why didn't the other two cars have something as simple as ballistic panels on the doors? You do know about them don't you? Don't try to put it on Edinburgh either, about not wanting to foot the bill, because you said yourself that there was a fleet of armoreds available, even if higher profile. You went along to get along, and didn't buck up. Bucking up at the beginning would have meant you might have to go home, and that would have screwed up your grand scheme.

You talk about standing up for integrity, but your statements prove that you are all about yourself.

You say you were the only one to lay down any sort of suppressive fire, without anyone telling you to. **** it all guy! You are SUPPOSED to take initiative in the absence of orders. Maybe you didn't get your silly little ADDRAC like your team's SOP called for because NO ONE knew where the fire was coming from. Wonder why no one knew? A wild *** guess would be that the PKM fire came from a well concealed ambush position, where the shooter(s) had pre-planned fields of fire; good grazing fire. Another guess would be that the weapon was either on its bipod, or even worse a tripod mount, because the fire was dead on accurate with the first few bursts. The white SUV had nothing to do with the source of fire. Anyone who knows what they're talking about (and you sure don't) is going to come to the same conclusion. Your guncounter-warrior mental math just doesn't cut it, and you should be ashamed you even wasted the brain cells to draw that conclusion.

You had the balls to write: "I never knew during the firefight which vehicle (or house, or person, etc) was shooting at us and I was the first one in position to deliver accurate, sustained, and deadly return fire and I didn?t know where to aim my gun. I received no serious injuries." How the **** can you claim to have delivered accurate and deadly return fire when you didn't know the origin?!?! Perhaps you returned AIMED fire when you fired at the bldg walls, but get off the pipe and stop thinking it was deadly. You may have made some noise, but in truth you simply wasted ammo.

And speaking of the SOP that you so proudly boast to have followed to the letter, it don't take a GED to figure out that when the SOP isn?t working, YOU ACT!!! I applaud you for pulling your head out of your *** and throwing a smoke, but after you were screened your fat *** should have gotten into a kneeling where you could scan better, see something, and then engage. Why'd the smoke have tape on it, and why'd you have to straighten the pin? Anyone with man strength can pull that little ring out. Why'd it take you so long to get up and move? Was it because you finally realized that with the rest of your team exposing themselves to un**** the junior varsity situation, you decided it was clear for you to finally get up? Just what the **** could you see from the ground anyway?

I can't fathom how you can walk with your head held up so high, because no one on that team died a warrior's death on Irish that day, and no one (you included) got off the "X". They died from a calamity of errors, ****-ups, and petty personal motives. You've got the balls to say that if Chris would have executed the SOP and bailed out of the car, instead of yelling he'd been shot, he might be alive. Again, **** it all man! Ever think that maybe getting shot had a little bit of effect on the guy, and that it threw things off a little? Noooo...That would be too easy, and would put attention back on you, the Walter Mitty who failed at a basic task a chimpanzee could accomplish. Now your minions want to come up with a symbol of your retarded tribe, with a contractor pulling another contractor to safety by a drag handle. What's the allure of a picture showing guys that failed and are trying to play catch up?

If you had only stood your ground and demanded what was right...if you had only sucked it up and kept the clutch in, instead of worrying about your aching calf...if you had only used your head when the SOP failed first contact and actually moved to make something happen...if you had only braved the fire to get a better shot...if you had only actually hit something?things might be different and I might be another Yeager drone. I'm glad I have the experience and commonsense to see through your bull****. I hope others read this and begin to wonder...just enough to start thinking for themselves and stop licking the bottom of your ball sack.

There are going to be those who rally around you, because they don't have the sense to see you for what you are. Take solace in what they say on your board, but look in the mirror tonight and say the words to yourself: "I failed"

I wouldn't hire Tactical Response to teach my kids to ride a tricycle or cross the street.

THE TRUTH

[Jeff Rambo]

If you want more- All you have to do is read. Just do not come on to my board acting stupid, I or another administrator will ban you as we do not tolerate assclowns on SOCNET.

[pidooma]

This is getting good...

[Jeff Rambo]

This is getting good...

Before this goes somewhere that it is not my intent to take it, this is not about dragging TR/Yeager's name through the dirt or turning this thread into a flame-fest. But I am putting this information out there as a buyer-beware type disclaimer. By all accounts, the FIREARMS training received at Tactical Response is decent, but as MaceWindu would you leave to believe... they are not going to teach you how to be a high speed, low drag operator of death.

[paradox]

Jeff Rambo, thank you for being an admin willing to call bull****. One of the best things about CalGuns is the relative lack of keyboard kommandos a la sigforum's calvert. That only happens when admins and community call BS without resorting to personal insults.

Thank you.

[accordingtoome]

i don't have to pratice i watched Rambo 3 times last week