Fast tapping of trigger like paintball?

[JPglee1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXxeUQwrTpQ&feature=related

Ive always wondered why more people don't make extended triggers for rifles/etc to allow "tapping" like the vid above shows.

Seems to me you could easily make a longer trigger and trigger guard for AR and AKs and then you could shoot insanely fast w/no "trigger activator" beside your finger...

Thoughts?? I think it looks cool.


J

[OutlawDon]

Paintball guns have no recoil. Firearms do...shoot that fast and your accuracy suffers. Really no point....I can shoot fast enough with just my trigger finger already if necessary. Plus, ammo ain't cheap....do you really want to dump that many rounds like a paintball gun, and for what reason?

[pnkssbtz]

I remember someone here or on arfcom used a paintball trigger for his AR and extended the trigger guard for it. Looked pretty damn sweet.

[leelaw]

Real guns have recoil and heavier trigger pulls. I don't think either are conducive for tapping triggers.

[AJAX22]

There was a product for the AR15 that did that for a while.... don't remember what it was called....

I have an e-mail somewhere where I was negotiating with a guy to buy it... I think it wound up costing more than I had at the time.

The product was a grip with an extended lever, that operated the triger on both the forward and backward motion of the fast tap.

worked up to a prety good rate of fire.

[leelaw]

The product was a grip with an extended lever, that operated the triger on both the forward and backward motion of the fast tap.

Sounds kinda like a Hellfire.... Kinda..

Trigger actuators like that are illegal in CA.

[AJAX22]

Sounds kinda like a Hellfire.... Kinda..

Trigger actuators like that are illegal in CA.

It was very similar..

but much better construction.

I was planing on storing it out of state.

kind of a moot point now... its long gone

[What Just Happened?]

There's a reason why you have to launch 13 balls per second.

1. suppression
2. inaccuracy of the firearm

Yes, suppression and positioning is important, but paintball markers don't have the accuracy that real firearms do.

The light trigger pull would be nice on a real firearm, but like it's been said, that probably wouldn't be legal.

What would be nice is the long trigger on a match rifle. The longer trigger would make the actual pull half of what is currently is.

[5150Marcelo]

That vid is SOOOOO in fast forward! You can totally tell!

[Rust]

yeah that is sped up for sure. But the ideas still a good one. Ok good is a matter of opinion, but it would work. I've thought about it myself, I can shoot a fairly steady 15-17 bps without setting my PB gun up to bounce. And I've hit 12bps shooting a mechanical marker (palmers blazer) Thats in the 900 rounds per minute range with an electric. You could easily fit a small board into the grip of an AR and a plunger solenoid seated under the trigger. You would have to be extremely careful not to get any electronic bounce at all or its the pokey for you though.
Why would you do this? Well why not, an AR with a good muzzle break or on a dedicated 22lr would have minimal kick and muzzle rise. Put a vertical grip up front to help hold it steady with the loose grip your trigger hand would need to get good trigger walking speed and it would stay roughly on target. Shouldn't be to much worse than a standard 16 is.

[tattooed_freak]

That vid is SOOOOO in fast forward! You can totally tell!

no its actually not....that marker was set on ramp mode. ramp mode is when you keep a steady rate of trigger pulls, for example 17 balls per second, the faster the gun will shoot. so it ramps higher and higher the longer you can keep up the pull.

[SFFRONTMAN]

Turn up Debounce

[JPglee1]

There was a product for the AR15 that did that for a while.... don't remember what it was called....

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Remember the "2x Doubler" mod for Minis and other double sear setups (AK/M1 Garand, etc)

Basically the 2x doubler would spread the disconnector just far enough to allow the hammer to slip off on pull AND release... SO you'd get 2 shots per trigger pull cycle...

When you pulled the trigger it would go boom and then catch the hammer, then when you let off the trigger it would go boom again and catch the hammer.... 1 shot per cycle of the trigger, 100% legal but probably not too safe (forget its there and shoot someone letting off the trigger lol )

But anyway I think if you set the trigger spring/disco spring really light and took all the takeup and over travel out, you could accurately shoulder fire a .223 (AR specifically) at a rather high rate of speed with such an extended trigger.


Seems easy enough to try, I just need a used trigger and a piece of steel to weld to it.... drop the trigger guard down and see how it works, lol


J

[renardsubtil]

no its actually not....that marker was set on ramp mode. ramp mode is when you keep a steady rate of trigger pulls, for example 17 balls per second, the faster the gun will shoot. so it ramps higher and higher the longer you can keep up the pull.

Yeah, I don't that vid is sped up at all either, I was just at a paintball match last weekend with a buddy and I had asked him what the weight was on the trigger pull for this gun that he was using, I tried it and it was very similar to a light tap like one would make on an iPhone touch screen for a selection. He'd use two fingers just like that vid and it was like hearing an automatic go off.

[mymonkeyman]

no its actually not....that marker was set on ramp mode. ramp mode is when you keep a steady rate of trigger pulls, for example 17 balls per second, the faster the gun will shoot. so it ramps higher and higher the longer you can keep up the pull.

Why then does the video description say:
"who needs ramping "