Nevada stops honoring Arizona CCW

[Decoligny]

Official press release from Nevada:

http://www.nvrepository.state.nv.us/Docs/PR_2013-03-01_ArizonaRecognition.pdf

[jdberger]

Sounds like the LTC industry in Nevada decided that too many folks weren't paying them to get an LTC.

It's protectionist. And divisive. And stupid.

[Moto]

That sucks the balls.

[Decoligny]

And it means I picked the right week to go to Vegas (week before last).
AZ still gets me lots more states. With the sequestor I can't afford any more trips for a while so I won't get a NV CCW for a while.

[jaymz]

As much as it sucks, it sounds like Nevada is simply following their own rules. Nothing wrong with that.

[Quiet]

Basically why it happened:
1. When NV approved AZ, they did so after reviewing AZ's 2010 CCW permit issuance policy (which required live fire qualifications).
2. When AZ went constitutional carry, it changed AZ's CCW permit issuance policy (so now you can get one without needing to do live fire qualifications).
3. NV laws require states they honor to have equal or stricter standards then NV and NV requires live fire qualifications.
4. Early this year, some Las Vegas area firearm trainers informed NV DPS and NVSCA that AZ's CCW permit issuance policy had changed to be less than NV's standard. This caused NVSCA to remove AZ from the list of states that NV honors.

It is speculated that certain Las Vegas area firearm trainers tattled about the AZ changes due to loss of revenue from NV CCW training.

[dieselpower]

Basically why it happened:
1. When NV approved AZ, they did so after reviewing AZ's 2010 CCW permit issuance policy (which required live fire qualifications).
2. When AZ went constitutional carry, it changed AZ's CCW permit issuance policy (so now you can get one without needing to do live fire qualifications).
3. NV laws require states they honor to have equal or stricter standards then NV and NV requires live fire qualifications.
4. Early this year, some Las Vegas area firearm trainers informed NV DPS and NVSCA that AZ's CCW permit issuance policy had changed to be less than NV's standard. This caused NVSCA to remove AZ from the list of states that NV honors.

It is speculated that certain Las Vegas area firearm trainers tattled about the AZ changes due to loss of revenue from NV CCW training.

Its all about a separation of the classes. Its the same with anyone who believes they are better then the next guy for X reason. The NV trainers feel they are superior and therefore the requirement is a requirement they insist on. There is zero evidence that live fire aids safety or proficiency, yet they want it. There are several States without this requirement and the accidental and ND rates are the same as NVs.

Its pure snobisum.... and NV LEA firearm groups are/is going very liberal accepting Obama and DiFi just as many CA groups do.

[BluNorthern]

It's the live fire requirement. This has been coming for awhile.

[dls]

So do you think they'll accept CA. LTC since we have to live fire, or make it easier to apply ? lol.. I doubt it,someone just got greedy.

[voiceofreason]

Firearms training is a business.

Like JDBerger stated earlier, people in that business will do what they can to protect, increase, stymie the obvious drop in attendance at their courses.

[John Browning]

NV is following their own laws. I don't know how this should come as a shock, or as a way to bash NV firearms trainers. No live fire = No reciprocity. The end.

[Decoligny]

So do you think they'll accept CA. LTC since we have to live fire, or make it easier to apply ? lol.. I doubt it,someone just got greedy.

Won't happen. California does not have an electronic database that Nevada cops can access to verify the CA LTC is real.

California meets the requirement in 1. (a) but not the requirement in 1. (b).

Arizona meets the requirement in 1. (b) but not the requirement in 1. (a).


NRS 202.3689  Department to prepare list of states that meet certain requirements concerning permits; Department to provide copy of list to law enforcement agencies in this State; Department to make list available to public.
1.  On or before July 1 of each year, the Department shall:
(a) Examine the requirements for the issuance of a permit to carry a concealed firearm in each state and determine whether the requirements of each state are substantially similar to or more stringent than the requirements set forth in NRS 202.3653 to 202.369, inclusive.
(b) Determine whether each state has an electronic database which identifies each individual who possesses a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm issued by that state and which a law enforcement officer in this State may access at all times through a national law enforcement telecommunications system.
(c) Prepare a list of states that meet the requirements of paragraphs (a) and (b). A state must not be included in the list unless the Nevada Sheriffs’ and Chiefs’ Association agrees with the Department that the state should be included in the list.
(d) Provide a copy of the list prepared pursuant to paragraph (c) to each law enforcement agency in this State.
2.  The Department shall, upon request, make the list prepared pursuant to subsection 1 available to the public.
(Added to NRS by 2007, 3150)

The part that sucks is the fact that they put out the press release on 28 Feb, and the change went into effect on 1 Mar. I could easily have been sitting in a Casino on the Strip and without knowing it gone from legal concealed carry to being guilty of a gross misdemeanor without even knowing it. It would have made more sense for them to make the date of effect as 1 Apr in order to let the word spread through the CCW community.

[tuna quesadilla]

I know where I'm not taking my tourism dollars.

[Tripper]

That just shows there should be a national standard

[winnre]

So run up and get the NV one!