FFL's now refusing to take PPT's?

[uhlan1]

Those who do PPT's well (in the Bay Area, I choose Reeds and Markley's) get all my business. And that is a lot of business. Those that don't, I merely return the favor. And then all those referrals.
It's a common mistake of small business. Nothing is more valuable than foot traffic.

[canopis]

Reason why we're having to turn them away is that we are very heavily backlogged on many things, most of it being paperwork.

The issue, as I'm sure you understand, is that under Penal Code Section 12082, a licensed dealer that otherwise sells, transfers or keeps an inventory of handguns must conduct PPTs. You cannot refuse to do them. The practice of requiring appointments or limiting the hours during which they can be conducted is, in my opinion, legally questionable.

But that's just my opinion.

[ADAM]

Those who do PPT's well (in the Bay Area, I choose Reeds and Markley's) get all my business. And that is a lot of business. Those that don't, I merely return the favor. And then all those referrals.
It's a common mistake of small business. Nothing is more valuable than foot traffic.

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[Nate]

Call the store before you do a PPT and ask them what time and day is best to do a PPT.

If they still decline to do the PPT, out them on the calguns board, report the,to the DOJ, and take your business else where.

By law, they have to do it. I can't imagine Ades is that busy, most stores don't have much stock.

[orangeusa]

The issue, as I'm sure you understand, is that under Penal Code Section 12082, a licensed dealer that otherwise sells, transfers or keeps an inventory of handguns must conduct PPTs. You cannot refuse to do them. The practice of requiring appointments or limiting the hours during which they can be conducted is, in my opinion, legally questionable.

But that's just my opinion.

lolz -

I'm just a local who likes Ade's. You realize this is a shop that has like 3-4 employees? And that this is the craziest time that ANY gun shop has seen since - what - FOREVER ?

Just saying, Ade's has been serving Orange, for like, well, 20+ years, and are probably reeling from the sales paperwork.

So, it seems it's up to CA DOJ to make the decisions ( lack of following Penal Codes ) that you are proposing.

I typically don't get involved in these whizzing matches, but Ades was there through good times and bad, always being the good local gun shop.

So yeah, report them, throw them under the bus, foul over a decent gun shop.

I think the long term history is more important than a short term issue. Not saying that they should refuse PPT's, but maybe given this crazy time, there are reasons.

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[sfhondapilot]

Those who do PPT's well (in the Bay Area, I choose Reeds and Markley's) get all my business. And that is a lot of business. Those that don't, I merely return the favor. And then all those referrals.
It's a common mistake of small business. Nothing is more valuable than foot traffic.

^^^^ This

I support Bullseye in San Rafael and City Arms in Pacifica. While it takes longer to process a PPT at Bullseye and they force you to buy a crummy lock, they have never turned me away and so I support their store (at PPT and pickup) and their range. City Arms is very efficient and I also support their store by buying something when I PPT and when I pick up 10 days later.

[MudCamper]

Use PPTs as a metric. Shops that don't want to do them or that make it difficult by setting day and time restrictions are unfriendly shops and do not deserve your business.

It's a pain in the *** for everyone involved, but shops making it even more difficult just piss me off. We are required to do it. FFLs are in this case agents of the srate and are required to do it. If they don't want to then they shouldn't be an FFL.

The DOJ BOF will eventually do something. I was in B2 (a local gunshop) the other day doing a PPT in the 3 hour window that they do it per week when I heard the guys behind the counter talking about how the DOJ had just called them and said they can't limit the times like that.

[Maddawg46]

I think that's against the law to refuse to do PPTs. You would think they would like the extra business since most have nothing to sell.

[Spiggy]

We can save waving of fists and nashing of teeth for other FFLs that exclusively refuse to conduct PPT for whatever bogus reasons.

I can't remember any time Ade's has had to refuse to do service for any customer if they are not capable of doing so. They have a reputation for doing their customers good.

Despite the fact the law requires them as a FFL business to do this time of service. If it's not physically possible for them to take on extra inventory, materials, and paperwork, it should not warrant a full throw under the bus. For their dealer it's a rescheduling. Not a denial of service. I think if this aspect can be explained to the customers, this would make things easier.

Don't throw them under the bus. There are more deserving jerks out there.

[bohoki]

its like jury duty for us it is their civic duty as an ffl

[orangeusa]

its like jury duty for us it is their civic duty as an ffl

Do you READ the above posts or just randomly inject your input? Point being when the LGS would **** us over, Ades WOULD do the PPT's. Something has changed in the recent months.

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[BigJ]

I do apologize that our turning away PPTs has upset so many people, I do not have any control over it I just do what I'm told.

Reason why we're having to turn them away is that we are very heavily backlogged on many things, most of it being paperwork. The days I am working in there during the week, there is seemly never ending paperwork among other tedious activities that have had us working some late nights.

It is heartwarming to see so many people suggesting to throw us under the bus for this inconvenience, especially those who have not been inconvenienced personally.

Its not just an inconvenience. Its the law.

Paperwork backlog? Work after hours or hire more employees.

Once you get caught up, implement a number system. Aka "Take a number please and wait until your number is called. Thanks!". Then serve the current customer's (number's) needs until done. Including PPTs.

Many, many shops have handled this same panic very successfully. Your excuses ring rather hollow. Step up, follow the law, and take care of your customers.

[Obviously a Plant]

If a FFL can't handle the mass of PPT's that come through their door, they need to work with the DOJ to get them done or the requirement abolished, not break the law and leave the private party hanging. They have a monopoly on gun sales that is backed by state law, which is as much an opportunity as a burden. I don't say "gee, I'm really busy and can't fill-out 15 minutes of paperwork, I think I'll just ignore the law and make this a black-market sale"
I go to a gun-store that follows the law.
If it is actually impossible to make the transfers that walk through the door, then the DOJ needs to pay the stores to do their work, but I really doubt that is the case.
Report the store, take all your business elsewhere and ***** about it here. The political climate has given stores low inventory to grouse about, not lack of patrons or sales.

[mabilis_matulis]

Did they tell you why? Hmmm..

[E-120]

Its the law