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  • kraqus
    Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 236

    Transporting guns in a vehicle

    What do you guys use to carry your guns to and from the range?

    I don't have any "Fully enclosed" "Locked containers" and I always used to carry my guns in either rifle bags or the plastic boxes the hand guns came with, which are not lockable.

    Better yet if you can post some pics or links I would appreciate it. I want to be a 100% in compliance....



    This is from the CG Wiki:


    CONCEALED handgun transport
    In a vehicle


    Penal Code 25400 (old 12025) creates the crime of carrying a concealed firearm. Penal Code 25610 (old 12026.1) and 25505 (old 12026.2) provide an exception for transporting a concealed weapon, if the correct procedure is followed

    25610. A citizen of the United States over the age of 18 years
    who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is
    not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing,
    receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm, from transporting
    or carrying any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of
    being concealed upon the person, provided that the following
    applies to the firearm:
    (1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked
    in the vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle.
    (2) The firearm is carried by the person directly to or from
    any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while carrying
    the firearm, the firearm is contained within a locked
    container.
    (b) The provisions of this section do not prohibit or limit
    the otherwise lawful carrying or transportation of any pistol,
    revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
    person in accordance with the provisions listed in Section
    16580.




    NOT in a vehicle

    25505 In order for a firearm to be exempted under this article,
    while being transported to or from a place, the firearm shall
    be unloaded and kept in a locked container, and the course of
    travel shall include only those deviations between authorized
    locations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.

    The 'locked container' requirement still applies, but other than to and from a vehicle, as above, the Penal Code has destination requirements beginning with Section 25510 and finishing at Section 25595, the 'other' section:

    25595 This article does not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful
    carrying or transportation of any handgun in accordance with the
    provisions listed in Section 16580.





    Locked container

    "Locked container" is now defined at Penal Code 16850

    As used in Sections 17740, 23925, 25105, 25205, and 25610,
    and in Article 3 (commencing with Section 25505) of Chapter 2
    of Division 5 of Title 4, "locked container" means
    a secure container
    that is fully enclosed and
    locked by a padlock, keylock, combination lock, or similar
    locking device.

    The term "locked container" does not include the utility or
    glove compartment of a motor vehicle.

    The code specifies either a separate locked container or the trunk of a motor vehicle while transporting a handgun in a vehicle.

    The separate locked container may be located any place in the vehicle; it is not restricted to the trunk.
    Vehicles without trunks

    Since the trunk is not required, transport of a handgun, unloaded in a secure locked container, is allowed on bicycles and motorcycles, and in pickup trucks, vans and station wagons
    Secure container

    Secure is not defined in the Penal Code. The implication of the lock language suggests access to the handgun should be difficult without properly opening the lock. While this page cannot recommend brands or models, both hard-sided and soft-sided gun cases and other 'substantial' enclosures which can be locked would seem to fulfill the requirements of the law.
    Fully enclosed

    Fully enclosed is not defined in the Penal Code. This language does disallow the use of only a trigger lock or cable lock; locks without the fully-enclosing containers are not locked containers.








    Benny
    "I've got my own life to live, I'm the one that's gonna die, when its time for me to die, So let me live my life the way I want to.." .... Jimi Hendrix.
  • #2
    jtc736
    Member
    • Jan 2013
    • 236

    I just lock it in a hard case and put it in my range bag in my trunk. Currently I use the S&W box that came with my M&P9, looking at getting a slimmer hard case or a gun rug. I think the key thing is that it needs to be locked up.

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    • #3
      delta9
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2011
      • 1690

      I just use a small luggage lock though the zipper tabls to secure my soft handgun case

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      • #4
        hermosabeach
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Feb 2009
        • 19628

        You can lock most pistol cases with a padlock around the handle.
        You can also get a range bag and use a simple combo luggage lock in the eyes of the zipper.

        I went to Depot and purchased 8 locks from the same box so that they are all keyed with the same key.... now I have the key on all of my keychains and the lock on my garage and my rifle cases are all the same key... it makes life simple as I am never without the key....

        A neighbor lost the key to his garage while surfing and asked me to cut off his lock.... he had one of these and it took 15 minutes with the Dremel..
        octagonal boron-carbide shackle



        for a range bag


        there are lots of different range bags...


        If you live near a GALLS store, pop in to see the features....
        or you can pick up a wheeled "carry on" bag from Target, place the pistol cases in the bag and luggage lock the bag...
        Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

        Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

        Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

        Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
        (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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        • #5
          tonyxcom
          Calguns Addict
          • Aug 2011
          • 6397

          I have always just put it in my range bag (unlocked) and tossed it in my trunk.

          Trunk qualifies as a locked container so there isn't any reason to put an additional lock on the range bag or gun case when locked in your trunk.

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          • #6
            ElDub1950
            Calguns Addict
            • Aug 2012
            • 5688

            Originally posted by tonyxcom
            I have always just put it in my range bag (unlocked) and tossed it in my trunk.

            Trunk qualifies as a locked container so there isn't any reason to put an additional lock on the range bag or gun case when locked in your trunk.
            ^^ This. Put it in the trunk - Done

            If you're asking about carrying it from the trunk to the range, no problem, just check the range rules.

            If you're asking about carrying it from your home to your trunk .. depends. From your house to your car in the driveway, no problem. If you have a long hike to your car get a locking case as the pc states.

            Other than those, give more details.

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            • #7
              CQBMarine
              Member
              • Jul 2011
              • 173

              This kinda plays of OP question. What about a locked gun bag inside the passenger cabin, legal for transport or not?

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              • #8
                tonyxcom
                Calguns Addict
                • Aug 2011
                • 6397

                Yep. You can put your unloaded handgun in a locked container on your lap if you want.

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                • #9
                  CQBMarine
                  Member
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 173

                  Originally posted by tonyxcom
                  Yep. You can put your unloaded handgun in a locked container on your lap if you want.
                  Now an "unloaded" handgun, the loaded magazines have to be separated from the handgun or can they be in the same container as long as it is not inserted into the handgun?

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                  • #10
                    kraqus
                    Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 236

                    Originally posted by ElDub1950
                    ^^ This. Put it in the trunk - Done

                    If you're asking about carrying it from the trunk to the range, no problem, just check the range rules.

                    If you're asking about carrying it from your home to your trunk .. depends. From your house to your car in the driveway, no problem. If you have a long hike to your car get a locking case as the pc states.

                    Other than those, give more details.

                    I drive a truck so no trunk for me......

                    So from your driveway to your house is OK, and so it is from a place that "allows" it, like a range or.....gunsmith store? but as long as they approve of it.....interesting!

                    I just want to be 100% in compliance. I don't want to give LEO one inch when it comes to questioning the way I carry my guns, if I ever get stopped or involved in a car crash or any other circumstance where I am carrying my guns in my truck and I am being questioned by a LEO.





                    Benny
                    "I've got my own life to live, I'm the one that's gonna die, when its time for me to die, So let me live my life the way I want to.." .... Jimi Hendrix.

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                    • #11
                      delta9
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 1690

                      Originally posted by CQBMarine
                      Now an "unloaded" handgun, the loaded magazines have to be separated from the handgun or can they be in the same container as long as it is not inserted into the handgun?
                      Ammunition can be in the same container but not attached to the gun

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                      • #12
                        CQBMarine
                        Member
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 173

                        Thank you everyone! Sorry for the high jack OP!

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                        • #13
                          kraqus
                          Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 236

                          Originally posted by CQBMarine
                          Now an "unloaded" handgun, the loaded magazines have to be separated from the handgun or can they be in the same container as long as it is not inserted into the handgun?
                          From the same link I posted:


                          Ammunition in the locked container is legal

                          So long as the handgun is itself unloaded, ammunition in the same container does not make the handgun loaded.

                          Some gun owners may be more comfortable transporting ammunition in a separate container, or a separate compartment of the locked container, but this is not required by current law.





                          Benny
                          "I've got my own life to live, I'm the one that's gonna die, when its time for me to die, So let me live my life the way I want to.." .... Jimi Hendrix.

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                          • #14
                            kraqus
                            Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 236

                            Originally posted by CQBMarine
                            Thank you everyone! Sorry for the high jack OP!
                            Not a problem.......this is good stuff!






                            Benny
                            "I've got my own life to live, I'm the one that's gonna die, when its time for me to die, So let me live my life the way I want to.." .... Jimi Hendrix.

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                            • #15
                              tonyxcom
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 6397

                              I think there is a post on here somewhere - member uses one of those soft-sided netbook cases (clamshell type) with a foam insert with cutouts for his handgun and magazines.

                              The zipper is secured by one of those TSA type locks a single digit away from unlocking. This is placed on the passenger seat next to him as he travels.

                              Currently, perfectly legal.

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