AR 15 FIXED MAG

[battleship]

I dont want to be going to the range and be beside a LEO only for him tom see me dropping my mag with the bullet button and reloading only to have him say your braking the law

[battleship]

I thank all who gave there knowledge here, i know you know your stuff, so i will go back to him and tell him what i found out.

[M. Sage]

I agree with all of you but his argument was realy about what was the legal way to reload an AR his answer was only from the top via braking the lower from the upper, wether you have a fixed mag or not.

Dude, stop. Get hold of your fear/paranoia. Now go back up and re-read the laws and regulations that Oaklander posted.

They say, very clearly, that if you use a tool to remove a magazine, that magazine is not detachable. You may remove that magazine in that fashion all you want, whenever you want. You can reload the rifle that way.

Seriously. Step away for a minute, go read a magazine article or something to take your mind off what was said by your buddy, then re-read what Oaklander posted.

[oaklander]

I have heard of ZERO problems at the ranges with OLLs.

The trouble so far appears to have been confined to (1) traffic stops gone way bad, and (2) LEOs that got worked up due to a Myspace posting.

There have been ZERO convictions for legally configured OLLs.

I dont want to be going to the range and be beside a LEO only for him tom see me dropping my mag with the bullet button and reloading only to have him say your braking the law

[mecam]

I dont want to be going to the range and be beside a LEO only for him tom see me dropping my mag with the bullet button and reloading only to have him say your braking the law

In Concord? Dude, I had a CoCo Sheriff drool all over my BB equiped AR with 4 spare 10/20 mags.

[M. Sage]

I have heard of ZERO problems at the ranges with OLLs.

The trouble so far appears to have been confined to (1) traffic stops gone way bad, and (2) LEOs that got worked up due to a Myspace posting.

There have been ZERO convictions for legally configured OLLs.

+1, I'll add that I know for a fact that Iggy, while he was still DOJ's main "gun expert", shot at ranges next to people while they used bullet buttons to remove their mags and reload.

He did... nothing. Didn't even write down a license plate number.

[battleship]

Oh im not paranoid i am more upset with the fact that he told me this, i knew he was wrong but wanted to here your insight first hand, oaklander has more than answered my questions thanks. going to concord range tomorrow for a blast.

[oaklander]

Have fun!

Not to say that there is zero risk - since some LEOs aren't yet aware of the law and aren't yet aware that OLLs are legal. But the main problem appears to be confined to traffic stops where someone has made the mistake of granting permission to search.

I've been to various ranges over 100 times with my OLLs and have never had a problem (other than people drooling over them).

Go out and shoot, have fun!!!

Oh im not paranoid i am more upset with the fact that he told me this, i knew he was wrong but wanted to here your insight first hand, oaklander has more than answered my questions thanks. going to concord range tomorrow for a blast.

[M. Sage]

Oh im not paranoid i am more upset with the fact that he told me this, i knew he was wrong but wanted to here your insight first hand, oaklander has more than answered my questions thanks. going to concord range tomorrow for a blast.

My mistake, then. You sounded a bit freaked-out in a couple of posts.

Enjoy your rifle!

[battleship]

So OAKLANDER, if i was ever to get stopped in my bronco hmm no trunk and i have my AR locked away in the rifle case, if an LEO asks - can he see my weapon and i say no what is his recorse going to be. i have thought it would be better to comply with his request so i could quikly get on my way.

[USN CHIEF]

So OAKLANDER, if i was ever to get stopped in my bronco hmm no trunk and i have my AR locked away in the rifle case, if an LEO asks - can he see my weapon and i say no what is his recorse going to be. i have thought it would be better to comply with his request so i could quikly get on my way.

My understanding is that if the LEO knows that there is a weapon in the case, he has all the right in the world to "Inspect" your weapon..

[bwiese]

So OAKLANDER, if i was ever to get stopped in my bronco hmm no trunk and i have my AR locked away in the rifle case, if an LEO asks - can he see my weapon and i say no what is his recorse going to be. i have thought it would be better to comply with his request so i could quikly get on my way.

It's best he doesn't know there's a (legal, locked, unloaded) firearm in the car, because then he can't ask to inspect it.

Cops are allowed to inspect firearms being transported.

But if a cop asks about items without knowning about (visible) guns/gun-related containers you are best answering, "There are no illegal items in this vehicle."

NEVER FRIGGING CONSENT TO A SEARCH ! ! ! DON'T LET A COP BLUSTER YOU INTO IT.

Even if the cop goes ahead and searches, the search has a chance of being thrown out if you don't consent and the reasoning for it was found to be flawed.

You're best off having your gear covered so what's in the back is not apparent.

[battleship]

what grounds would he have to randomly inspect it, when its locked away, say if he pulled me over for an improper turn, or something minor - did not use a blinker when changing lanes.

[battleship]

If i was to cover up my rifle case, while transporting and i was stopped would i not be carrying a concealed weapon even though its also concealed in a locked case.

[aplinker]

The last question on the subject of the AR with him was- why does California let you have a bullet button on a fixed mag if you can not legally drop the mag to reload it, his answer was that is for when you want to take your AR out of state to shoot.

Please tell me that my ffl friend is miss informed, and that it is perfectly legal to drop your AR mag to reload.

The statement I highlighted is the flaw in your logic.

You're coming at this as though law provides ALLOWANCES. It's the opposite. It lists what is ILLEGAL, as others have pointed out.

If you're looking for someone to tell you that what you're doing is legal and here's the law that says so, you're coming at it from the wrong direction.

Thankfully we in this country ostensibly live by the "innocent until proven guilty," which means that a cop/DA/court has to show that what you're doing is illegal, based upon the statutes.

He's simply of the opinionated, misinformed FFL variety.

If i was to cover up my rifle case, while transporting and i was stopped would i not be carrying a concealed weapon even though its also concealed in a locked case.

Long guns (rifles, shotguns, etc) are not concealable, so they follow a different set of rules than a handgun.

what grounds would he have to randomly inspect it, when its locked away, say if he pulled me over for an improper turn, or something minor - did not use a blinker when changing lanes.

He can only inspect if he has a REASONABLE suspicion it's a firearm. In other words, cover them up and make no statement that you have guns.