Using exploding targets on BLM areas

[m98]

At this point in time, I would say if you want to buy it and just store it now for a rainy day or a shoot in a FREE State

[JDay]

Ummm, do you really believe everything you read on the internet? Why not read the law for yourself? It's obviously not legal in CA.

If it wasn't legal the dozens of gun shops in this state that sell it or a similar product would have been shut down by CA DOJ years ago.

[SB1964]

I'm not gonna tell anyone what to do. If I wasn't sure, I'd pass. I've been going to BLM, including the Desert since the 70's, some of the Rangers are Donkeys. The Border Guys have always been cool.

[tackdriver]

My understanding from what I've read and heard from police explosive guys is that it is illegal in CA. They then show u tube videos of idiots using 50 lbs of the stuff to blow up appliances. If you want to use it, go ahead and use it. But be discreet. If you don't want too, then don't. There is no need to complain about those who choose shoot it or sell it.

[dieselpower]

If it wasn't legal the dozens of gun shops in this state that sell it or a similar product would have been shut down by CA DOJ years ago.

Its NOT illegal to sell.
There is no requirement to have a permit to buy it.
There is a requirement to have a permit to possess it.
Its like an altered exhaust for your car. 100% legal to buy it and 100% illegal to install it.

Its not on the DoJ radar to take action on selling it when there is no law against selling nor can any charges be brought against retailers for selling it when they have permits to sell black powder and other substances that can be used as explosives.


READ THE LAW.

[xrMike]

In before Bill Weise storms in and bursts a blood vessel...

[Capybara]

But that's what I mean. That law should be rewritten because the way it is now, a newbie seeing it on the shelves at Dicks might buy five pounds of it with their new gun, take it out to the range or BLM land, shoot it, set it off and then get busted. That just strikes me as unethical on the State's part and I wish someone with money and power would take them down, win a judgement against the state and make them look like the idiots that they are, wasting our taxpayer money on nonsense like this.

The whole, "DOJ will just tell you what is illegal, with a ton of gray area and latitude, but then they will gladly bust you and make a test case out of you" just seems like insanity and is definitely the epitome of evil intent. The fact that the DOJ is too afraid to define if something is legal, probably because of their gross incompetence to prevent bullet buttons, featureless rifles, etc. makes me angry. They are public servants who work for us, but they act just like the Feds that think that they rule over us.

[dieselpower]

But that's what I mean. That law should be rewritten because the way it is now, a newbie seeing it on the shelves at Dicks might buy five pounds of it with their new gun, take it out to the range or BLM land, shoot it, set it off and then get busted. That just strikes me as unethical on the State's part and I wish someone with money and power would take them down, win a judgement against the state and make them look like the idiots that they are, wasting our taxpayer money on nonsense like this.

The whole, "DOJ will just tell you what is illegal, with a ton of gray area and latitude, but then they will gladly bust you and make a test case out of you" just seems like insanity and is definitely the epitome of evil intent. The fact that the DOJ is too afraid to define if something is legal, probably because of their gross incompetence to prevent bullet buttons, featureless rifles, etc. makes me angry. They are public servants who work for us, but they act just like the Feds that think that they rule over us.

Welcome to California. This is a State where criminals are created every few months simply by passing regulation. You can walk into any pep-boys and a few hours later installing aftermarket parts find yourself on the wrong side of the law.

You can do the same in a Grocery store buying food for the homeless without a permit to distribute food... or a home grower without the proper inspections that you were never told about.

Firearm ownership in CA is a dangerous chess game. You must keep up with the laws or find yourself in PRISON...not just some $1500 ticket + $5000 in court fees. There are few misdemeanor firearm laws, most are felony with at least 1 year in prison if not 5 years. The only misdemeanor I can think of is CCW of a registered handgun...while CCW of a fixed blade is a felony.

[GrizzlyGuy]

In before Bill Weise storms in and bursts a blood vessel...

In the interest of allowing him to preserve the health of his circulatory system, I'll just quote him:

This law is very loose and broad. Don't expect help when you're busted.

REMEMBER THAT AT LEAST ONE CALGUNNER (an absolutely great guy) HAS BEEN CONVICTED FOR TANNERITE
ALREADY - and he had a GOOD lawyer and paid $20Kish and STILL HAD AN 18mo FIREARMS PROHIBITION.
(He got out lucky.)

[SGTKane]

and here we go....

This.

And in before half a dozen others...

Originally Posted by bwiese
This law is very loose and broad. Don't expect help when you're busted.

REMEMBER THAT AT LEAST ONE CALGUNNER (an absolutely great guy) HAS BEEN CONVICTED FOR TANNERITE
ALREADY - and he had a GOOD lawyer and paid $20Kish and STILL HAD AN 18mo FIREARMS PROHIBITION.
(He got out lucky.)

Great here's the mythical Calgunner argument again, that no one can produce any proof exists. No court cases can be found naming Tannerite, the find law library clerks (who were more than happy to take my money and look) couldn't even find any plea agreements mentioning Tannerite, exploding targets, (which is not to say they are infallible), etc etc and etc.

It comes down to anything firearm related in CA:

1) Do what you can afford, understanding the cost maybe considerably higher than just the purchase price
2) Ceding a right/activity to protect other related activities is just as bad as letting someone make it illegal.
3) If you are stupid with your exploding targets, you will bring down the wrath of someone.
4) And "free states" are only a few hours away for most Calgunners, and in most of them you can shoot as much and as many exploding targets as you'd like.

[Zedrek]

Ummm, do you really believe everything you read on the internet? Why not read the law for yourself? It's obviously not legal in CA.

Apparently it's not obvioulsy illegal in California otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion would we? No, I don't believe everything I read on the internet but I do like to research things. According to Tannerite's website, it would appear legal in all states:

What if I am approached by an authority and questioned about my targets?How could something so fun, be legal everywhere?

[RudyCakes]

I'm not sure about the legal mess but I can assure you all that exploding targets can start fires.

[CSACANNONEER]

Apparently it's not obvioulsy illegal in California otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion would we? No, I don't believe everything I read on the internet but I do like to research things. According to Tannerite's website, it would appear legal in all states:

What if I am approached by an authority and questioned about my targets?How could something so fun, be legal everywhere?

I stand corrected. It's only obvious to those who both read the law and have the ability to comprehend it. Well, I guess they also have to be smart enough to understandthe difference between a law and an advertisement. I'm sure you are smarter than I am and you know which one a judge or jury will use at your trial.

[CSACANNONEER]

If it wasn't legal the dozens of gun shops in this state that sell it or a similar product would have been shut down by CA DOJ years ago.

The shops aren't doing anything illegal. They possess the product with the intent of selling them.

Penal Code 18720
Every person who possesses any substance, material, or any combination of substances or materials, with the intent to make any destructive device or any explosive without first obtaining a valid permit to make that destructive device or explosive, is guilty of a felony, and is punishable by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170 for two, three, or four years.

[Mickey D]

In before Bill Weise storms in and bursts a blood vessel...