If you can't afford a safe, you can't afford a gun.

[Steve_In_29]

.......Safe's don't only significantly reduce the guns from being stolen, but they also prevent children from accessing them. If you leave your guns in your closet and under the mattress, than someone steals the guns and kills innocent people. IMO, that blood is on your hands.

So your position is that someone violates the law and breaks into my house and then violates another law and kills someone with the gun they stole, it is my fault????

If the criminals cut into your safe and you took every measure to prevent that from happening, than we did what we could do.

No, by the logic you just used above it can't be the lawbreakers's fault. It is still your fault because you hadn't been such a cheapskate and bought a better safe that person would still be alive today.

Your twisted logic is the same garbage that allows criminals to get off because it was "societies fault" that they broke the law.

[jonzer77]

Lol...Yeah no thief has EVER stolen a safe full of guns EVER! lmao

If I were a betting man, I would bet more guns are stolen when they aren't in a safe compared to the guns stolen from safes. I don't know about you but I like to have multiple layers protecting my guns because some simply can't be replaced.

[JohnThomson]

Risks of crime exist everywhere. Its a mandatory to be a responsible and secure enough to protect our valuables with keeping them at safer place. If your gun get stolen and someone used it then you are only responsible for the mishap happened. So, always be on safe side. And use digital safe to protect them.

[9mmrevolver]

I put all my guns underneath my kids' bed loaded. What robber is gunna think there is anything besides sticky candy and bugers underneath them.

Seriously kidding.

My guns are in a safe. When I first started out I didn't have one for about 4 years. After I bought an m1a I got a cheap stack on safe about two later. The following year I got a heavy duty safe. I will say this. If u got kids. Get a damn safe

It shouldn't be our responsibility to keep criminals from committing crimes. People used to keep their guns in glass cases without worry.

[SilverTauron]

Risks of crime exist everywhere. Its a mandatory to be a responsible and secure enough to protect our valuables with keeping them at safer place. If your gun get stolen and someone used it then you are only responsible for the mishap happened. So, always be on safe side. And use digital safe to protect them.

So ID theft victims should be charged with financing crime and terrorism since clearly, they didnt monitor their credit well or change their passwords often enough to responsibly safeguard their money.

Perhaps we should mandate safe storage laws for credit cards.3 years in jail if your wallet is stolen and it wasnt locked or chained to your person.

[Sutcliffe]

Locks are for honest people

Right. Locking up your home isn't enough. Now you need a lock inside a lock to be considered "responsible".

Do we hear ourselves?

Anybody who wants your guns will show up with cutters, an angle grinder or whatever it takes to get at your guns.
A man's home is is castle. We seriously need to treat it as such.

[thomashoward]

You don't actually need a safe. If you are a little creative you can make a space within your walls.Double stud an end wall and use European hidden hinges on a mirror or something to cover the hole.
That is my overflow area. works well and no one can tell by looking at it. No visible signs on the outside.
If you rent, no can do.

[aulloa]

If a president can not afford a security crew should not be the president or he should not have one. going by the same logic but no, all of us have to put in for his safety, are the guns of his security crew safe? why is ok for them to carry guns but on the other hand gus are evil why is the double standard because gun control is using an easy fix that is not fixing nothing but the law abaiding citizens, again the criminals do not have any problem they have the fast and the furious movie.

[xrMike]

[IMG]

Nice safe, better than mine...

But you should keep your gas cans farther away from the water heater, imo.

Just looking out for your safety man.

[Citadelgrad87]

So ID theft victims should be charged with financing crime and terrorism since clearly, they didnt monitor their credit well or change their passwords often enough to responsibly safeguard their money.

Perhaps we should mandate safe storage laws for credit cards.3 years in jail if your wallet is stolen and it wasnt locked or chained to your person.

You can leave cash and your Rolex on the front porch if you want. If you get hit, I will seriously help you look for the guy who did it.

I'll be questioning why you didn't secure your valuables better the whole time, though.

I can criticize you for being goofy about security and not blame you for the crime. The dog eared mantra "stop blaming the victim" is way overused. I teach my daughter not to dress provocatively. There are people who misinterpret same. I want anyone who puts a hand on a woman to be punished, far more severely than the law provides. But if I can prevent one assault by telling young women about how the world works, isn't that better than shaking your fist at something that happened that could have been avoided?

I don't really care about your guns more than you do. I fully understand the law, and the import of an illegal interloper stealing, then criminally misusing your firearms. I don't blame you if they are stolen or misused. I do question the thought process of anyone who doesn't make it as difficult as their circumstances allow for someone to get at stuff you,paid good money for .

Using the passive logic you espouse, why have security lighting, an alarm, good solid locks and doors, etc?

We could just leave the front door ajar and hope for the best.

But I think that's a stupid plan.

[jonzer77]

So ID theft victims should be charged with financing crime and terrorism since clearly, they didnt monitor their credit well or change their passwords often enough to responsibly safeguard their money.

Perhaps we should mandate safe storage laws for credit cards.3 years in jail if your wallet is stolen and it wasnt locked or chained to your person.

While I don't believe it should be mandatory to require a safe since that would be an infringement on the 2A by making it unaffordable. I do have to question the logic of anyone who has lots of firearms and doesn't own a safe.

[Metal God]

I don,t agree even a little bit .

You will never convince me that if somebody breaks in to my home and steals my anything . It then is an any way my fault or respobility if that said item is used in a bad way . Which one of you is the one that gets to decide what is an adequate security system . Some safes are easy to get in too . My guns WERE locked up , I locked all my doors and windows when I left . That being said I do keep all my firearms in a safe . My point is why is it my resposibility to make sure somebody that is already breaking the law does not break the law a little more .

[hcbr]

While I agree that safes should be highly considered for someone who has families, and people living with them, and to be safe in sketchy neighborhoods, I live a rented condo where there is no way I can fit a proper safe (thus cabinet with lock up and double measured with the gun locks on them. People just need to not be lazy and lackadasial and just be mindful of what to do to keep your items safe, and people safe in your house. Every situation will be different, but life is unexpected, we can't always just hide in our shell if something happens. We deifnitley must be preppared, yes, but not paranoid.

I would

[Yoteman]

In a perfect world every gun owner has a safe. But it's anything but perfect so at least some lock or even semi secure system is better than nothing.
As responsible guns owners we owe that much to each other.

[Ratboy]

first post...

Risks of crime exist everywhere. Its a mandatory to be a responsible and secure enough to protect our valuables with keeping them at safer place. If your gun get stolen and someone used it then you are only responsible for the mishap happened. So, always be on safe side. And use digital safe to protect them.

um... oddly written sales pitch...? Blaming the victim?

So if my hammer gets stolen and someone used it then I are only responsible for the mishap happened?