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  • wilit
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2005
    • 5209

    How does registration reduce gun violence?

    I've been pondering this lately with all the new legislation that's being tossed about and honestly I just don't see how knowing who is the registered owner of a gun reduces the overall plague of violent crime. I realize I already know the answer to this question is, "it doesn't," but I'm just curious as to what other people's thoughts are on this subject.

    Canada is a good example to use. They have a population of about 34.5 million people with about 1.8 million gun owners (according to gunpolicy.org) and their registry was a complete failure. It failed both economically and had no measurable effect on reducing crime. I truly fail to see the link between knowing who owns what firearms is able to stop criminals from stealing, manufacturing or otherwise illicitly obtaining a firearm and using it for criminal purposes.
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    DVSmith
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    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Dec 2007
    • 3702

    Requirements such as registration, education, fees, paperwork are all designed to reduce the availability of firearms. The more hoops someone has to go through the less likely some people are to buy guns.

    Secondarily, the thought could be that down the line they will start matching databases between prohibited individuals, known nut cases (like CGNers), no fly lists, etc. and removing firearms from those people.

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    • #3
      pontiacpratt
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 1663

      Registration also increases accountability, if a gun is attached to your name and the only way to remove that attachment, is to transfer it through a approved method. You are less likely to sell it to an restricted person.
      A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
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      • #4
        drdarrin@sbcglobal.net
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2011
        • 2219

        You need to ask your question on Huffington Post if you really want an answer.
        They won't make much sense however.
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        • #5
          whlgun
          Veteran Member
          • May 2006
          • 3057

          Please, when talking about gun control leave reason out.
          Rights modified on a "need" basis, IS the root of tyranny
          Its not the Bill of Needs. Its the Bill of RIGHTS

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          • #6
            Raider888
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2012
            • 891

            Gun/ammo registration creates more fees and a bigger government, more control, less freedom.

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            • #7
              Sakiri
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2012
              • 1395

              Originally posted by DVSmith
              Requirements such as registration, education, fees, paperwork are all designed to reduce the availability of firearms. The more hoops someone has to go through the less likely some people are to buy guns.

              Secondarily, the thought could be that down the line they will start matching databases between prohibited individuals, known nut cases (like CGNers), no fly lists, etc. and removing firearms from those people.
              1968 Haynes v United States ruled that a felon is not compelled by law to register firearms as it violates his 5th Amendment protection from self-incrimination.

              That alone is why registration needs to GTFO.
              On the Second Amendment:
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              • #8
                kurac
                Veteran Member
                • Dec 2005
                • 2917

                simple answer is, it doesn't

                Laws also do not "prevent" crimes. Best case they reduce crimes worste case they have no effect.

                This is why they put forth and pass laws that require law abbiding citizens to comply with because they know we will.
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                • #9
                  stix213
                  AKA: Joe Censored
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 18998

                  Registering your guns prevents violence in the same way that registering your car prevents drunk driving.

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                  • #10
                    Fate
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 9545

                    Originally posted by pontiacpratt
                    Registration also increases accountability, if a gun is attached to your name and the only way to remove that attachment, is to transfer it through a approved method. You are less likely to sell it to an restricted person.
                    What's to prevent someone from selling it to a restricted person for big bucks then claiming it was stolen?

                    Nothing (beyond morals).
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                    • #11
                      thomashoward
                      In Memoriam
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 1991

                      Originally posted by kurac
                      simple answer is, it doesn't

                      Laws also do not "prevent" crimes. Best case they reduce crimes worst case they have no effect.

                      This is why they put forth and pass laws that require law abiding citizens to comply with because they know we will.
                      Its people control,not gun control
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                      • #12
                        gundad
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 719

                        Registration, mag lmits, AWB, its all lubrication for the final poking.
                        The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing

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                        • #13
                          digdug74
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 1042

                          How does registration reduce gun violence?
                          It doesn't, but it makes people who don't know that feel better....

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                          • #14
                            TheRealVIC
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 513

                            The only way i can see it reducing gun violence is when they find your rifle at a crime scene somewhere that you are not. if your selling/distributing weapons illegally then theres probably a pretty good chance you doing other stuff thats illegal. You go to prison. Guns are not going to bad guys. Canada dropped it because it was ineffective and cost too much. It will be the same story here if they approve it.

                            On the other hand, it can definately be abused like in Katrinia-New Orleans.
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                            • #15
                              Sakiri
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 1395

                              Katrina was abysmal with the confiscation.

                              And the only thing a complete registry will do, outside "nothing for crime" and "lead into confiscation" is "cause this broke --- country to go further into debt" and "raise our taxes" because you *know* this is going to cost more than we can afford.

                              That's another reason(on top of the many others) we don't reeeeeally need an AWB atm. Not only is it ineffective, but it's expensive. And the USA is BROKE.
                              On the Second Amendment:
                              "'Keep' means they're mine, you can't have them. 'Bear' means I've got some on me, and they're loaded."

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