"SLIDEFIRE", "BUMPFIRE"

[skibuff]

Good to know. I shoot in EDNF a lot, and have been known to bumpfire on occasion. Guess I'll have to stop doing that...

Its not a crime to bumpfire or shoot fast as long as your gun is not modified with some type of a device to do so.

If you shoot out there know the laws there are some very educated Rangers out there that use the Calguns flow charts for reference and know the gun laws very well. The Rangers are all real good people and just want a safe fun environment out there.

Tannerite is also not allowed on the Forest service land.

[skibuff]

audiophil2 I'm sorry i can't provide you with more info. I live 5 minutes from Eldorado Forest and see several of the Rangers every couple of weeks over the summer. I was talking with one of them and he briefly mentioned he had confiscated a gun with a bumpfire system on it. I'm not a fan of them so didn't ask a lot of questions regarding the incident.

They are real nice guys out there and know the gun laws well. IMO there are way too many stupid people getting in to shooting and it's not good for our sport. Just today I was out with my family shooting and there were 2 guys parked on the main paved road standing in the road shooting.

What do you say to an armed idiot???

[Kestryll]

It's Sunday night, I'm out of butterscotch schnapps for my hot chocolate and my patience for bickering OR advocating illegal activity is nonexistent.

SO KNOCK IT OFF !!!!

[audiophil2]

audiophil2 I'm sorry i can't provide you with more info. I live 5 minutes from Eldorado Forest and see several of the Rangers every couple of weeks over the summer. I was talking with one of them and he briefly mentioned he had confiscated a gun with a bumpfire system on it. I'm not a fan of them so didn't ask a lot of questions regarding the incident.

They are real nice guys out there and know the gun laws well. IMO there are way too many stupid people getting in to shooting and it's not good for our sport. Just today I was out with my family shooting and there were 2 guys parked on the main paved road standing in the road shooting.

What do you say to an armed idiot???

My reply was deleted. Don't know why so I'll try to tread lightly. Please let me know if you get any new info on the alleged arrest.

[tcrpe]

Here's the letter that says it's "legal."

If your hands have limited mobility.

If you have good hands, go ahead and use them to roll the dice.

Also note that this "clearance" applies to the stock as a "part", and does not address its attachment to a firearm.

Feeling lucky?

[audiophil2]

CA Penal Code 16930
As used in this part, a "multiburst trigger activator" means either of the following:
(a) A device designed or redesigned to be attached to a semiautomatic firearm, which allows the firearm to discharge two or more shots in a burst by activating the device.
(b) A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it increases the rate of fire of that firearm.

The bumpfire does not fall into (a) because there is nothing to activate. I could see how (a) would make the slidefire illegal if the word "using" was in place of "activating". By using the slidefire the firearm can discharge 2 or more shots in a burst. It would be up to a very good lawyer to keep these words as very separate definitions.

(a) is the very exact reason why the Akins accelerator was later determined to be a NFA regulated illegal machine gun. The spring in the stock was activated which pushed the receiver forward. The slidefire requires the user to push the stock forward. If you really think about the sequential mechanics of using a slidefire the actual part that creates the regulated machine gun is the users forward elbow acting as a spring much in the way the thumb is the spring when using a belt loop.

(b) is not applicable at all since the bumpfire never touches the trigger.

[ke6guj]

Here's the letter that says it's "legal."

If your hands have limited mobility.

If you have good hands, go ahead and use them to roll the dice.

Also note that this "clearance" applies to the stock as a "part", and does not address its attachment to a firearm.

that's the letter that says that the feds consider it legal. that doesn't mean that CADOJ (or the 58 DA's) consider it legal. we can all argue what our interpretation of 16930 is, but it is just our opinion. But if you go against the stated view of CGF (and their lawyers), don't expect their help defending your future case.

[skibuff]

My reply was deleted. Don't know why so I'll try to tread lightly. Please let me know if you get any new info on the alleged arrest.

10-4 next time I see Him I'll get the 411 on his stance on them.

[jaymz]

By using the same logic that many here are using, swapping some of the internals on your stock Glock to make it more suitable for use as a race gun, you are now guilty of having a "multi-burst trigger activator" because you have "increased the rate of fire"? Think about it guys and gals.

[CSACANNONEER]

By using the same logic that many here are using, swapping some of the internals on your stock Glock to make it more suitable for use as a race gun, you are now guilty of having a "multi-burst trigger activator" because you have "increased the rate of fire"? Think about it guys and gals.

Great. Go ahead and point that out on a public forum. Good going. You're correct. All those modified race guns are illegal in Ca and now some anti is going to push some DA into enforcing the letter of the law. I sure hope that you're going to help the poor guys finacially when it comes to their defence funds.

[Blue Ridge Reef]

That's why, if I were to ever have one, I'd only ever want it for my M&P 15-22.

It is my understanding that .22lr doesn't have enough recoil for the device to work. And I've used Slide Fires & Bumpski on a couple of models of rifle and a Saiga shotty. They are pretty fun, but I think the novelty would wear off, and certainly by the next time you re-up on ammo. Heck, I bet in the current climate, even those who have them in free states aren't using them much.

[audiophil2]

It is my understanding that .22lr doesn't have enough recoil for the device to work. And I've used Slide Fires & Bumpski on a couple of models of rifle and a Saiga shotty. They are pretty fun, but I think the novelty would wear off, and certainly by the next time you re-up on ammo. Heck, I bet in the current climate, even those who have them in free states aren't using them much.

It is very possible to use the slidefire on .22 AR's. It just needs trigger work. People put them on Nordic 10/22s also. I know one guy that has his Razorback buzzing through 200 round belts with the stock.

I'm not a big fan of my Slidefires only because they do take a little more effort to make work. I decided to upgrade to a registered M16A2. Anyone that says full auto is pointless either can't afford it or envies it. I never shot a FA and later thought "I like this gun but it would be so much more fun in semi only."

[michaelthetrojan]

citrus heights police sacramento county will arrest and confiscate the user and slide fire stock. info from a conversation with the cheif.

how ever sacramento sherrif, placer county sherrif all told me to talk to DOJ who told me the Ca DOJ has no judgement on the slide fire stock ... yet.

so i guess its up to the officer that catches you. if you are stupid and belligerent, then i guess you were ment to loose anyway, if you explain nicely to anyone of authority with respect that you did call the doj and did your own research and the sherrif of your county had no say, im sure better things than jail will happen. *this is not advice or anything other than an opinion.

[ke6guj]

how ever sacramento sherrif, placer county sherrif all told me to talk to DOJ who told me the Ca DOJ has no judgement on the slide fire stock ... yet..

looks like they do have an public opinion on them now,

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=698825

[tcrpe]

If you're not going to test your theory yourself, don't encourage others to test it.

citrus heights police sacramento county will arrest and confiscate the user and slide fire stock. info from a conversation with the cheif.

how ever sacramento sherrif, placer county sherrif all told me to talk to DOJ who told me the Ca DOJ has no judgement on the slide fire stock ... yet.

so i guess its up to the officer that catches you. if you are stupid and belligerent, then i guess you were ment to loose anyway, if you explain nicely to anyone of authority with respect that you did call the doj and did your own research and the sherrif of your county had no say, im sure better things than jail will happen. *this is not advice or anything other than an opinion.