"SLIDEFIRE", "BUMPFIRE"

[FMFdevildoc]

Not "probably" illegal - the California P.C. is POSTED ABOVE... wow!!!

[audiophil2]

I beg to differ. It's providing a plain reading of the law. One could just as reasonably complain that there have been no prosecutions where the accused has been exonerated.

Given the already-posted difference in possible results between 'it's legal and you do not buy one' and 'it is illegal and you do buy one', I want to see clear court cases showing the law does not mean what the black letter says.

It's providing a plain opinion of the law. Nothing more, nothing less. No one has been able to discredit my previous opinion of what makes it not illegal per CA PC. When banned wanna-be-lawyer members tell me I'm wrong but a retired CA circuit court judge calls me for a two hour long distance phone conversation stating how I interpreted the law better than most lawyers I'm gonna stick with my opinion until proven wrong.

[tcrpe]

It's providing a plain opinion of the law. Nothing more, nothing less. No one has been able to discredit my previous opinion of what makes it not illegal per CA PC. When banned wanna-be-lawyer members tell me I'm wrong but a retired CA circuit court judge calls me for a two hour long distance phone conversation stating how I interpreted the law better than most lawyers I'm gonna stick with my opinion until proven wrong.

Go for it, then.




ETA:

And, to help with the effort, I'll kick in $50 to help you prove the legality of these things.

All I ask is that I can be there to watch.

Any other donors?

[jaymz]

CA Penal Code 16930
As used in this part, a "multiburst trigger activator" means either of the following:
(a) A device designed or redesigned to be attached to a semiautomatic firearm, which allows the firearm to discharge two or more shots in a burst by activating the device.
(b) A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it increases the rate of fire of that firearm.

The device being discussed does not do either of the above. Anyone that says otherwise is wrong.

[TRICKSTER]

The device being discussed does not do either of the above. Anyone that says otherwise is wrong.

That statement brings back so many memories of people who are now in jail who told me I couldn't arrest them for one reason or another because I was wrong about what was or wasn't illegal.

[skibuff]

If bumpfire was illegal pants would not have belt loops in CA.

Please provide info on any prosecutions involving the slidefire in CA since you allege they have occurred.

There have been guns confiscated for bumpfire in Eldorado National Forest. The Eldorado Forest Ranger submitted it to the County DA. Not sure if the DA is going to prosecute or not.

[Librarian]

It's providing a plain opinion of the law. Nothing more, nothing less. No one has been able to discredit my previous opinion of what makes it not illegal per CA PC. When banned wanna-be-lawyer members tell me I'm wrong but a retired CA circuit court judge calls me for a two hour long distance phone conversation stating how I interpreted the law better than most lawyers I'm gonna stick with my opinion until proven wrong.

Shall a person arrested in CA for this device call you for financial support in their defense?

Feel free to continue to tell us we're offering an opinion. That's accurate.

But also include that you either are or are not a lawyer, giving a legal opinion or not giving a legal opinion. I don't know which it is.

I do know which way I read the risk. No good can come of buying a slidefire-type device in California, until the California courts clearly state such things are not 'multiburst trigger activators' (as defined in PC 16930) and therefore not violations of PC 32900.

[Josh3239]

The device being discussed does not do either of the above. Anyone that says otherwise is wrong.

I agree, it does not create a burst, which means one trigger pull for 2-3 shots nor does it increase the rate of fire.

It wasn't that long ago that the CGN "hire ups", some of them on the CGF, said you cannot have an open magwell AR/AK in CA. Just sayin...

[Lead-Thrower]

There have been guns confiscated for bumpfire in Eldorado National Forest. The Eldorado Forest Ranger submitted it to the County DA. Not sure if the DA is going to prosecute or not.

Good to know. I shoot in EDNF a lot, and have been known to bumpfire on occasion. Guess I'll have to stop doing that...

[Guitarmoto]

Ah the internet!

I'm having a hard time reading your posts. Your avatar is polarizing....

[TRICKSTER]

I agree with you here. CA is not the state to be doing questionable things within. There are too many state created nanny's, including gun owners on this forum, that will rat someone out in a second whether they know the law or not. This is shown almost weekly when some CGN member posts about some guy at the range with hi caps or evil features.

Rat someone out? I can't recall any post where someone posted that they called law enforcement because someone was at the range with a hi cap mag or evil features. I'm at the range all the time with those items and no one gives it a second look.

[Warhawk014]

Damn this thread is about to go FR.

IBTL

[Oneaudiopro]

Hmmm

Anyone who tries to, in any form or fashion state that bump fire, slide fire or multi burst / trigger "activators" OR any variations of that useless junk is legal?

They are point blank wrong, mis-informed & mis-guided.

Bro, you can argue it to the end of time...

Bump fire / slide fire stuff is ILLEGAL !! And that bogus info that "nobody has ever been prosecuted" is a myth.

Break the law, you will get nailed for it.

You can Bumpfire all you want!

[dieselpower]

wow...

1) I see no Californian law saying a Glock 18 is illegal....so can I buy one?
2) When I activate the Slidefire stock..what happens?

You people are kidding yourself if you can not see the child-like nature of your ego.

Please answer both of those questions and if you still think a G18 and a slidefire stock are legal... go buy them.

We are better off with you in prison so we rational people can show the rational people on the fence about gun-owners that not all of us are redneck idiots who can't follow a simple law.

[jaymz]

That statement brings back so many memories of people who are now in jail who told me I couldn't arrest them for one reason or another because I was wrong about what was or wasn't illegal.

Feel free to explain how the item in question violates the PC. I'll send you $50 bucks if you have an explanation that cannot be broken.