This has to be the worst range configuration

[aplinker]

I always thought how Livermore's trap range shoots DIRECTLY AT the rifle range felt weird, but it isn't dangerous (unless someone decides to use slugs).

This is the same sort of thing. As long as you follow the rules and keep it downrange it's safe.

[wilshire1412]

Reminds me a bit of how things used to get out at Kentucky, near Palmdale.

[railroader]

I have always thought and heard about "don't break the 180". That refers to 180 degrees of the shooter, you can't shoot what's behind you if you keep your weapon pointed down range. At pistol matches you can get disqualified for breaking it. The range in picture (there isn't 180) all you need is some dumb ***** which his finger on the trigger sweeping people. It's ok to say everthing will be fine if everyone follows safety rules but that isn't always the case. Mark

[jmlivingston]

Not that terribly different than numerous military ranges I've seen. Usually there's a marker or flag of some sort on the left and right side of the range identifying the boundries for the "shooting zone".

That said, I suspect that something about the camera angle is exagerating the concern here.

John

[vandal]

I've never been there but it is extremely similar to a configuration in one of my recurring nightmares. Deja Vu!

[xrMike]

I'd never shoot there. It would require waaaay more faith in other people's common sense and good judgement than I am willing to give.

[bohoki]

man i guess they dont know what a firing line is

i dont think anybody should be infront of a perpendicular plane of the muzzle when aiming at the proper target

[Army]

Camera angle exagerates the gap. Look at the other shooters, the are facing almost directly away from the camera, which means the lanes are arranged like a wheel. He is shooting at least 90 degrees out from the pistol range.

This range is safe.

[EdinKali]

I always thought how Livermore's trap range shoots DIRECTLY AT the rifle range felt weird, but it isn't dangerous (unless someone decides to use slugs).

This is the same sort of thing. As long as you follow the rules and keep it downrange it's safe.

That was the range I was thinking of. While we were checking targets one day, my buddy's son was hit on the cheek by a stray pellet. It didn't break the skin but it left a little welt. Not long after that, they changed the rules so that you are never down range while the trap range is hot. Eventually I think they added a berm in between the two but I am not positive on that.

[Gryff]

I think it's pretty clear-cut that this is a seriously screwed up configuration. I see people downrange in a line from the photographer through the shooter. That means that the shooter could send rounds directly at them.

I'm surprised to see some people say that this isn't that bad. Do you really think that EVERYONE who goes to a shooting range is a) competent and b) completely free from jackass tendencies?

If I were to turn around and see a loaded weapon's muzzle angled that close to my position, I would be out of that range in a heartbeat and trumpeting that everyone avoid it until the range fixed the problem.

[Gryff]

Not that terribly different than numerous military ranges I've seen. Usually there's a marker or flag of some sort on the left and right side of the range identifying the boundries for the "shooting zone".

Problem is...this isn't a military range.

[aplinker]

I think the view is greatly exaggerated by camera angle, as Army says.

I think it's pretty clear-cut that this is a seriously screwed up configuration. I see people downrange in a line from the photographer through the shooter. That means that the shooter could send rounds directly at them.

I'm surprised to see some people say that this isn't that bad. Do you really think that EVERYONE who goes to a shooting range is a) competent and b) completely free from jackass tendencies?

If I were to turn around and see a loaded weapon's muzzle angled that close to my position, I would be out of that range in a heartbeat and trumpeting that everyone avoid it until the range fixed the problem.

[jmlivingston]

The angles are definately exaggerated. Look how the plywood on top of the shooting bench is angled across the supporting structure, on the left side of the image it's been pulled closer to the shooter.

[low94noma]

I would never shoot a handgun there....Looks like the firing line is almost 90 degrees form the pistol range...Looks okay to me but sort of an optical illusion...

[mecam]

Look at the angle of the barrel and to the people, that is less than 45 degrees. No way I would shoot there. I trust nobody..