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  • John Moon
    Banned
    • Dec 2012
    • 117

    GUNS, not WEAPONS!

    My old man used to say guns used by civilians were TOOLS and weapons were for street criminals.

    So, the W word should be used discreetly.

    GUN is the most innocent connotation and is familiar to most civilians and children.

    Besides, I am fond of the word GUN: it is short, sweet and simple and not woosy-sounding
    or prickish like FIREARM.

    FIREARM is too official-sounding and impersonal. WEAPON is too cop-like or militaristic.

    SHOOTIN' IRON is cowboy talk.

    Also, a GUNMAN is always a criminal armed with a gun, not just any man with a gun. An armed citizen implies good
    people with guns for lawful purposes.

    An old man who taught me my hunter safety class chastized somebody for saying WEAPON in regards to a hunting rifle. It made him quite cross. He said to the guy that he was not some criminal on the streets and that a gun or a bow was a TOOL for harvesting game.
    Last edited by John Moon; 12-28-2012, 12:36 PM.
  • #2
    bobgengeskahn
    Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 386

    Whenever I am taking people out, especially new shooters, I try to avoid both and use "firearm(s)".

    IMHO, "gun" doesn't convey a proper amount of respect/responsibility toward the fiearm. And "weapon" gives the wrong idea to someone that is probably uncomfortable in the first place/it takes me back to basic lol.
    Once more into the fray,
    Into the last good fight I'll ever know,
    Live and die on this day,
    Live and die on this day.

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    • #3
      John Moon
      Banned
      • Dec 2012
      • 117

      Originally posted by bobgengeskahn
      Whenever I am taking people out, especially new shooters, I try to avoid both and use "firearm(s)".

      IMHO, "gun" doesn't convey a proper amount of respect/responsibility toward the fiearm. And "weapon" gives the wrong idea to someone that is probably uncomfortable in the first place/it takes me back to basic lol.

      Yes, as a vet, WEAPON takes me back to boot camp and that is another reason it rings foul in mine ears.

      My civilian guns as for varmint hunting are indeed for FUN! :-)

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      • #4
        Jeepers
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 3415

        sorry like it of not they are "Weapons" in any book , i say stop villainizing the word "Weapon" itself and start talking about the facts instead of worrying about being politically correct ....

        something (as a club, knife, or gun) used to injure, defeat, or destroy
        2
        : a means of contending against another
        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/weapon

        any instrument or device for use in attack or defense in combat, fighting, or war, as a sword, rifle, or cannon.
        2.
        anything used against an opponent, adversary, or victim: the deadly weapon of satire.
        3.
        Zoology . any part or organ serving for attack or defense, as claws, horns, teeth, or stings.
        verb (used with object)
        4.
        to supply or equip with a weapon or weapons: to weapon aircraft with heat-seeking missiles.
        Origin:
        before 900; Middle English wepen, Old English wǣpen; cognate with German Waffe, Old Norse vāpn, Gothic wēpna (plural)
        http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/weapon
        Originally posted by Ronald Reagan
        Before I refuse to take your questions, I have an opening statement.

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        • #5
          paul0660
          In Memoriam
          • Jul 2007
          • 15669

          Words, wurds, WURDS.

          This PC speak is supposed to win our cause, and of course won't.
          *REMOVE THIS PART BEFORE POSTING*

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          • #6
            paul0660
            In Memoriam
            • Jul 2007
            • 15669

            Words, wurds, WURDS.

            This PC speak is supposed to win our cause, and of course won't.
            *REMOVE THIS PART BEFORE POSTING*

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            • #7
              jonc
              Calguns Addict
              • Aug 2009
              • 6402

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              • #8
                YORCHI117
                Junior Member
                • Jul 2012
                • 39

                I say weapon and firearm to sound a little better than the people I'm usually arguing against. If I say guns then I feel as if I'm no better than when someone who doesn't know calls all guns fully automatic assault rifles that can shoot hundreds of bullets at a time.

                If I'm arguing a general thing I'll say weapon to support my points that not all guns are responsible for senseless murders and deaths. A car can be a weapon just as much as a gun. I'll say firearm when I am trying to take the evil out of the word gun to convince someone that not all guns are bad and try to correlate that to something else like pit bulls and how we're scared of them but really shouldn't be.

                When I'm around my gun buddies or anyone else then I will surely use the other fun words we all know and love
                "I offer neither pay, nor quarters, nor food; I offer only hunger, thirst, forced marches, battles and death. Let him who loves his country with his heart, and not merely with his lips, follow me."

                KCCO

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                • #9
                  Rhythm of Life
                  Veteran Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 2800

                  Firearms are firearms.


                  Weapons are firearms used to attack another person.
                  The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

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                  • #10
                    Rock6.3
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 2431

                    It is a rifle or a pistol or a revolver or a shotgun.

                    Weapon implies intent. My ink pen is a weapon if raised overhead with malicious intent.

                    Gun and Firearm are inappropriately vague for most discussions.

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                    • #11
                      bobgengeskahn
                      Member
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 386

                      Originally posted by Jeepers
                      sorry like it of not they are "Weapons" in any book , i say stop villainizing the word "Weapon" itself and start talking about the facts instead of worrying about being politically correct ....

                      something (such as a club, knife, or gun) used to injure, defeat, or destroy; a means of contending against another… See the full definition


                      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/weapon
                      Yeah, but like it or not, every word in the english language has a connitation and venacular meaning behind it, and thus a mindset that is associated with it. My only point is that I prefer to say firearm because it typically allows people to take it for what it is, instead of what hollywood or politicians have told them it is; thus letting them get a little more comfortable with it before they think theyre some kind of gangster.
                      Once more into the fray,
                      Into the last good fight I'll ever know,
                      Live and die on this day,
                      Live and die on this day.

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                      • #12
                        John Moon
                        Banned
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 117

                        Weapon is a very broad term also.

                        Originally posted by Rhythm of Life
                        Firearms are firearms.


                        Weapons are firearms used to attack another person.
                        Even an icicle could serve such lethal purpose.


                        After all, this website is called CalGUNS, not CalWEAPONS or CalFIREARMS.

                        If they called it CalTOOLS, that would be really vague: it might attract more shade-tree car mechanics
                        than hunters and self-defenders.
                        Last edited by John Moon; 12-28-2012, 12:43 PM.

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                        • #13
                          TAK
                          Member
                          • Nov 2011
                          • 189

                          I prefer the term war hammer(s) for my gun(s)
                          Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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                          • #14
                            TAK
                            Member
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 189

                            I prefer the term war hammer(s) for my gun(s)
                            Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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                            • #15
                              John Moon
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 117

                              Might WAR HAMMER even be appropriate for

                              Originally posted by TAK
                              I prefer the term war hammer(s) for my gun(s)
                              a varmint rifle as for taking out 500-yard chucks (the burrowing kind that look like big, fat squirrels; not Viet Cong soldiers, mind you)?

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