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  • AlpineWeiss
    Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 483

    Tactical analysis of ones home.

    After running some drills (because I had the house to myself.

    It became clear to me that trying to get out of the room I rent would be a disaster and a half if there were +1 bad guy anywhere between me and the front door.

    If I open my door it's "hay, pay attention to this from the 5-6 ambush/shelter locations present. I seriously can not come up with one way to get from my room to the front door with out massively exposing myself. Furthermore using a 16" AR seems like a total liability given the close quarters.

    The only winning strategy I can come up with is keep whomever outside the front door. Which means waking up and having myself and my weapon at condition 0 before the door fails. Frankly this is piss poor and not the kind of bet I take with my life.

    Anybody else find themselves in similar circumstances?


    tl:dr One bad guy could pin me in my room, which is a fail and a half to me because I am aware of it.
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    myk
    Calguns Addict
    • Sep 2012
    • 5955

    I wouldn't focus on trying to get to the door. I would be more concerned with having a weapon I was comfortable in using, especially in close quarters, and having a reliable telephone to call the police if you suddenly decided that your life was in danger inside of your own home. Unless you're somehow compelled to leave, hole up in your room, weapon at the ready, as you wait for help to arrive; if someone breaks through the door, ventilate 'em. Don't be like the two cops in End of Watch; in my opinion if they had stayed in that room/apartment, instead of running outdoors into machine gun fire the movie might have ended differently...


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    • #3
      techshot
      Member
      • Aug 2010
      • 467

      Most bullets will go through apartment walls. If you have to go full operator status, then I am sure you could figure something out. With multiple tango's assaulting your freedom pad, you should look into maybe getting a urban ghillie suit and some potted plants to blend into the background.
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      • #4
        AlpineWeiss
        Member
        • Aug 2010
        • 483

        Originally posted by techshot
        Most bullets will go through apartment walls. If you have to go full operator status, then I am sure you could figure something out. With multiple tango's assaulting your freedom pad, you should look into maybe getting a urban ghillie suit and some potted plants to blend into the background.
        Thanks. Look BG comes through my front door. Unless I want to put myself in a bad situation I am stuck playing defense in my room. Sorry but I think I am justified in finding that situation unfavorable. Especially since I live in a city where home invasions are somewhat common.
        The deer makes the wolf stronger and vice versa. Do not ask the deer how best to catch it. It will lie because your goals are not mutual.

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        • #5
          IVth Horseman
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2009
          • 1583

          If someone smashes my door in my plan involves never leaving the bedroom. Me and my lady would take cover behind the bed with guns pointed towards the hallway, none of my stuff is worth confronting someone in the dark when I'm drowsy from sleeping. And I think I would have less civil liability with the fact he cornered me in my home.

          I guess I'm just not tacticool.

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          • #6
            shakes88
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2011
            • 1128

            I've done some similar drills in my home 1. for SHTF "practice" (I can move through my house in near darkness swiftly and confidently) and 2. to keep my skills sharp as I'm on a SWAT team... My sole reason though is because I have a child who sleeps across the way and that is the ONLY reason I would leave my room in an invasion scenario... My wife knows that she stays put and defends our room and we have a code word for my re-entry into our room and one for threat down/house cleared...

            But like I said, I have something to force me to exit a safe zone, which is my child's life... If my son was sleeping in our room, I would never break the threshold of my bedroom door. You need to choose what is best for your situation, barricade/defend, assault through the main entrance, or if your situation allows, window exit to safety to call for help...
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            • #7
              Supertac916
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2012
              • 2423

              Originally posted by shakes88
              I've done some similar drills in my home 1. for SHTF "practice" (I can move through my house in near darkness swiftly and confidently) and 2. to keep my skills sharp as I'm on a SWAT team... My sole reason though is because I have a child who sleeps across the way and that is the ONLY reason I would leave my room in an invasion scenario... My wife knows that she stays put and defends our room and we have a code word for my re-entry into our room and one for threat down/house cleared...

              But like I said, I have something to force me to exit a safe zone, which is my child's life... If my son was sleeping in our room, I would never break the threshold of my bedroom door. You need to choose what is best for your situation, barricade/defend, assault through the main entrance, or if your situation allows, window exit to safety to call for help...

              Came up with pretty much the same for my family. I cover the stairs as my wife gets the kids. No fancy room clearing for me and I'll let them walk into the fatal funnel.

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              • #8
                voiceofreason
                Veteran Member
                • Oct 2010
                • 3785

                1. 99%+ of homes today likely are concealment with precious little cover

                2. YOU don't get to choose where/when the attack occurs. The assailants may be engaged at the front door or rear patio glass door... or as they grab you in bed. You can try to push the odds in your favor, but there are no guarantees

                3. Regardless of what you want or don't want to do (clear your own house/cross established hostile territory), the situation may require something more than what you're comfortable or trained with

                4. Like ANY hostile engagement on ANY level, expect your well laid plans to fall apart upon first contact with the enemy, I guarantee you missed SOMETHING

                5. Mentally GET IN THE FIGHT as quickly as possible. 0-200mph in 2 secs is too slow. Any hesitation or emotional reaction that hinders you is costing you time. And according to the almost holy Magpul guys, "Time is life."

                6. Walk through a firefight with a few friends in a home. You'll realize how LITTLE you want a firefight with rounds flying in such close quarters. You'll also realize how important it is to be FIRST.

                7. Tear gas or OC gas canisters, ballistic shields, remote sound devices, air horns anyone? Sideways, out of the box solutions are weird, but they also provide OPTIONS.
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                • #9
                  dieselpower
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 11471

                  I have some professional experience in this....

                  1) security begins when you and others who live with you are in public. This was 50% of my training when working with high profile clients. Kids especially have loose lips that sink ships. Teenagers are the worst and most robberies can be traced back to them in some way... a friend of a friends brother heard blah blah blah

                  2) next is from the street, from the neighbors yards...what do they see, if someone was "casing" the block..why wouldn't thy pick your home? Hiding spots, blind spots. Easy access points.

                  3) inside the home is the last thing you need to worry about. All homes are kill boxes. Once a threat is in the home, they have the advantage, either by surprise or momentum. Once they are inside you have lost the initiative. The standard replies seen are are your last resort...hold up in a room and wait it out with a cell phone and 911 or have the mindset to go toe to toe KNOWING there is a high chance of a loved one getting hurt. In a recent home invasion the father engaged several threats killing one bad guy and the report said several wounded...not sure if those were friends or foes. Just be mindful of whats on the other side of your threat when pulling the trigger, but also remember if they reach a love one, that person becomes a shield against you and a hostage.

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                  • #10
                    TAK
                    Member
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 189

                    You realize that unless you have a long hallway with the front door at one end and you at the other end any house is a "death trap"

                    Being by yourself in an urban situation is suicide no matter how well you know the house or how many drills you do. Focus on making it hard to get into your house don't assume someone is going to get in. And if you are in an apt/condo situation and you fire off a .223 round you run a very likely probability of collateral damage. Be responsible get a pistol with hollow points or a shotgun. The last thing gun enthusiats need is some mall operator shooting their neighbor through the wall when his futon was being stolen.
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                    • #11
                      dieselpower
                      Banned
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 11471

                      In before the "FBI testing shows .223 penetrates less than handgun rounds" guys.

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                      • #12
                        scidx
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 1160

                        Originally posted by myk
                        Don't be like the two cops in End of Watch; in my opinion if they had stayed in that room/apartment, instead of running outdoors into machine gun fire the movie might have ended differently...
                        Spoiler alert?


                        "Never go through a door without a full magazine in your weapon." --Capt. Eric A. Sykes--

                        "(experts), of course, have long recognized the .45 as possessing killing power completely out of proportion to the scientific reality of its cross-sectional area, sectional density and available kinetic energy." --G&S online--

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                        • #13
                          shakes88
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 1128

                          Originally posted by scidx
                          Spoiler alert?
                          I was thinking the same thing
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