PPT - Anyone Ever Get Cheated?

[vr6veedub]

Anyone ever find out the firearm was stolen or something crazy like that? I'm guessing the person you gave the money you handed over was lost right?

[FNH5-7]

I was cheated out of 2 rebuild kits once, never a full gun.

[vr6veedub]

I was cheated out of 2 rebuild kits once, never a full gun.

What happened?

[dieselpower]

I let a guy shoot my Dan Wesson .357 at the range before the sale. He said he wanted to show it to his wife before the deal. She was meeting him in the parking lot. I was at the desk paying the range bill and didn't realize he took the handgun until I saw him walking out the door. He came back in and said she said No. I said, "where is the gun?" He said, " oh man I must have left it on her car." The Police wouldn't even come out...its a lost gun, not stolen. They would send a community-representative to take a lost firearm report. We searched the area, the street, everywhere. Even had her come back and drove the same route she took.

The kicker was her story... she said she saw and heard something fall off the car and saw two Mexican guys pull over and pick something up off the street. Just by the way she said it, I was sure they stole the gun. Police didn't care what I thought.

He gave me $100... :/
He was a guy from my work, not just some random thief.

[mxadam579]

i posted a thread about this and was curious as well but nobody was cheated i beleive because u have to give a DL and a thumb print

[RandyD]

I met another shooter at the Miramar trap and skeet range. He asked to buy my Remington 870 shotgun. We drove a few miles over to the American Shooting Center and did the transfer and he paid me. Later that evening the American Shooting Center called and informed me the buyer had a history that prevented him from buying the shotgun and they wanted me to pickup the shotgun. I called the buyer and offered to refund his money. We arranged a time and place to meet but he did not show. My guess was that he was too embarrased.

[Colt562]

I met another shooter at the Miramar trap and skeet range. He asked to buy my Remington 870 shotgun. We drove a few miles over to the American Shooting Center and did the transfer and he paid me. Later that evening the American Shooting Center called and informed me the buyer had a history that prevented him from buying the shotgun and they wanted me to pickup the shotgun. I called the buyer and offered to refund his money. We arranged a time and place to meet but he did not show. My guess was that he was too embarrased.

so you got to keep the money?

[FNH5-7]

What happened?

Drove all the way to LA to sell a guy a gun. I was in a hurry and grabbed the wrong rebuild kits, I sent him the correct ones and he said they got lost. He was bull ****ting, never sent mine back, ripped off more than a few calgunners and then he got banned.

I'm sure as hell glad at least I didn't drive to LA for nothing, had I been stood up I would have been pissed.

[Anunnaki]

so you got to keep the money?

Had something similar happen to me. DOJ said I couldn't own guns, which was a mistake. The gun shop was nice enough to inform the seller who already had my cash to come pick up the guns, because there is no way the DOJ would ever make a mistake like this, ever. Fortunately the seller was a close friend and didn't pick up the guns. I called DOJ and cleared up the mess and DOJ called the gun store and ok'd it. I had to re-DROS and sign a stack of paperwork. This was at a Turners, which is funny because I've been denied twice by accident and both times it was when doing a DROS there.

Nice enough of the DOJ to send my rejection notice to the local PD, since they never make mistakes and were confident that I was attempting to commit a crime. Fortunately they also amended it by sending a we ****ed up fax to the PD and nothing ever happened.

[woods]

I was supposed to get a firearm in exchange for helping someone who was going through a nasty divorce. They wanted to give me the hand gun and had agreed to transfer it at a FFL but then kept canceling every time we were supposed to meet then moved far away.

I was stuck with out being able to transfer the gun into my name and as far as handguns go in California I understood that to be a big no no. Plus I got the feeling maybe they kept canceling because maybe the gun could have been stolen or something. I honestly didn't know.

A friend of the family still is holding that gun but I'm not sure how to transfer it into my name without the owner. If the holder transferred it to me is that legal? and if it ended up being stolen would they get in trouble?

I really wish this State had a website citizens could run serials to see if a gun was stolen so they could check at gunshows, private party, etc, before money crosses hands.

[Yemff]

I let a guy shoot my Dan Wesson .357 at the range before the sale. He said he wanted to show it to his wife before the deal. She was meeting him in the parking lot. I was at the desk paying the range bill and didn't realize he took the handgun until I saw him walking out the door. He came back in and said she said No. I said, "where is the gun?" He said, " oh man I must have left it on her car." The Police wouldn't even come out...its a lost gun, not stolen. They would send a community-representative to take a lost firearm report. We searched the area, the street, everywhere. Even had her come back and drove the same route she took.

The kicker was her story... she said she saw and heard something fall off the car and saw two Mexican guys pull over and pick something up off the street. Just by the way she said it, I was sure they stole the gun. Police didn't care what I thought.

He gave me $100... :/
He was a guy from my work, not just some random thief.

Wow, that's all I can say

[dieselpower]

I was supposed to get a firearm in exchange for helping someone who was going through a nasty divorce. They wanted to give me the hand gun and had agreed to transfer it at a FFL but then kept canceling every time we were supposed to meet then moved far away.

I was stuck with out being able to transfer the gun into my name and as far as handguns go in California I understood that to be a big no no. Plus I got the feeling maybe they kept canceling because maybe the gun could have been stolen or something. I honestly didn't know.

A friend of the family still is holding that gun but I'm not sure how to transfer it into my name without the owner. If the holder transferred it to me is that legal? and if it ended up being stolen would they get in trouble?

I really wish this State had a website citizens could run serials to see if a gun was stolen so they could check at gunshows, private party, etc, before money crosses hands.

Depending on how long ago this happened the firearm could be legally yours if not stolen. I don't know myself but I think if the gun was in your possession before CA passed the transfer law...OR.... the transfer happened out of the state and in a state where PPT's are not recorded by FFLs...then its your firearm and no one would be able to say otherwise.... SINCE IN MOST OTHER STATES, PPTs are not recorded by FFLs.

Contact a Gun lawyer. Its worth the $100 or so they would charge to get you some good answers.


Oh ...and was this a Dan Wesson .357?

[vr6veedub]

I guess I've always been curious what keeps someone from cheating you. Yes they submit their drivers license and fingerprint. But some criminals don't care. If the gun comes up stolen you're out the money you handed over and thr guy is long gone.

[BruinGuy]

Safer to be the seller than the buyer; at least if you're the seller you've got the money and will get the gun back if the buyer can't legally possess.

As a buyer, if it comes back stolen or whatnot, you're out the money and the gun... but I doubt this happens much. The criminal types who deal in stolen firearms aren't usually too keen to do a PPT at an FFL.

Sorry to hear how some of you have been taken, though!

[bsg]

I let a guy shoot my Dan Wesson .357 at the range before the sale. He said he wanted to show it to his wife before the deal. She was meeting him in the parking lot. I was at the desk paying the range bill and didn't realize he took the handgun until I saw him walking out the door. He came back in and said she said No. I said, "where is the gun?" He said, " oh man I must have left it on her car." The Police wouldn't even come out...its a lost gun, not stolen. They would send a community-representative to take a lost firearm report. We searched the area, the street, everywhere. Even had her come back and drove the same route she took.

The kicker was her story... she said she saw and heard something fall off the car and saw two Mexican guys pull over and pick something up off the street. Just by the way she said it, I was sure they stole the gun. Police didn't care what I thought.

He gave me $100... :/
He was a guy from my work, not just some random thief.

he should have paid full asking price. he took the Dan Wesson without your consent, and then it gets "lost" while in his care. this story was painful to read.