So it BEGINS!

[INDABZ]

This is basic supply and demand at work.....simple economics....

Jeez happens all the time......

There are ZERO rifles of shall I say....semi autos...at any distributor right now.

So what dealers have is it at the moment....

You have some crazy circumstances right now or maybe interesting...

1) Time of year is always gun buying season...
2) Democrats won again...and the assault weapon ban is in their party platform.
3) End of world preppers.

Probably some other stuff that I cant think of it.....

[The Gleam]

Gun shops are so scarce in this state that you can call them an oligopoly. And that's anything but well-functioning capitalism.

Actually, that's not true. Compared to many other states, we have more gun stores within closer range of each other, more per capita. California is still the #1 state for firearm purchases.

I have family in the midwest and the south, and gun stores are few and far between, with long drives between them; and the other surprising aspect is that while those states have no infringement on items that California erroneously calls "Assault Weapons" many of those stores don't typically have such firearms in stock on the shelves; you often only see bolt-actions, standard shotguns, basic Glocks and 1911 types, and MAYBE one or two AR-styled rifles.

Another surprising fact; many don't even stock ANY replacement magazines other than the occasional Glock or 1911 mag for LEO that might need them quick. High-capacity or not, they don't stock them, merely because the stores that can legally sell them in their respective states, get outsold in those states by the internet or at gun stores for much less. On many of my visits to many gun stores, I was shocked that none had mags of any kind.

Most of our standard gun stores here in CA, have more in the store as a stocking dealer of ARs, AKs, Uzi, and various H&K items along with magazines and parts than you might find in many other "free" states.

It's BECAUSE of our laws we actually have more gun stores, and better gun stores at that.

[elSquid]

Gun shops are so scarce in this state that you can call them an oligopoly. And that's anything but well-functioning capitalism.

So start a gunstore, undercut the other vendors, make millions...

Remember, price is a signal.

-- Michael

[Merc1138]

Actually, that's not true. Compared to many other states, we have more gun stores within closer range of each other, more per capita. California is still the #1 state for firearm purchases.

I have family in the midwest and the south, and gun stores are few and far between, with long drives between them; and the other surprising aspect is that while those states have no infringement on items that California erroneously calls "Assault Weapons" many of those stores don't typically have such firearms in stock on the shelves; you often only see bolt-actions, standard shotguns, basic Glocks and 1911 types, and MAYBE one or two AR-styled rifles.

Another surprising fact; many don't even stock ANY replacement magazines other than the occasional Glock or 1911 mag for LEO that might need them quick. High-capacity or not, they don't stock them, merely because the stores that can legally sell them in their respective states, get outsold in those states by the internet or at gun stores for much less. On many of my visits to many gun stores, I was shocked that none had mags of any kind.

Most of our standard gun stores here in CA, have more in the store as a stocking dealer of ARs, AKs, Uzi, and various H&K items along with magazines and parts than you might find in many other "free" states.

It's BECAUSE of our laws we actually have more gun stores, and better gun stores at that.

Definitely. You'll find better selection with regards to rifles and pistols at some gun shops in the free states, but in CA you have dozens of gun shops within minutes of eachother.

Off the top of my head in the south bay/Fremont area alone...

Irvington Arms, Valkyrie Arms, Eddy's, BAGV, Reed's, Failmasters, SJ gun exchange, UG Imports, MP Arms, Roger's relics, Kerley's, a dozen big 5 sporting goods stores scattered around, all within 10-30 minutes of eachother.

[INDABZ]

Definitely. You'll find better selection with regards to rifles and pistols at some gun shops in the free states, but in CA you have dozens of gun shops within minutes of eachother.

Off the top of my head in the south bay/Fremont area alone...

Irvington Arms, Valkyrie Arms, Eddy's, BAGV, Reed's, Failmasters, SJ gun exchange, UG Imports, MP Arms, Roger's relics, Kerley's, a dozen big 5 sporting goods stores scattered around, all within 10-30 minutes of eachother.

Some of those aren't actually "gun stores".....varies types of people and businesses with FFLs....better classification....

[Merc1138]

Some of those aren't actually "gun stores".....varies types of people and businesses with FFLs....better classification....

Yet I can order just about anything I want and still buy it there, only difference is I can't walk in and fondle the merchandise. Even if I took the kitchen table FFL's off that list, it'd only be removing two(UG imports does actually have an office).

[Maddog5150]

WAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAH
I have an idea, lets all bash the shop because of their American rights and freedom of commerce!!!! How dare they follow supply and demand!?!?! Dont they know who we are!? We're calgunners!!!!!
911? We be needing an wambulance yo.


OOOOH! I have an idea! Lets petition for a law so the gubberment can control the prices

[Merc1138]

WAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAH
I have an idea, lets all bash the shop because of their American rights and freedom of commerce!!!! How dare they follow supply and demand!?!?! Dont they know who we are!? We're calgunners!!!!!
911? We be needing an wambulance yo.


OOOOH! I have an idea! Lets petition for a law so the gubberment can control the prices

Well of course we should ban profits made by those evil corporations that aren't people... regardless of the fact that the bulk of these places are small businesses run by a handful of people...

[DisgruntledReaper]

Let's talk AMMO PRICES and AVAILABILITY.... sheesh ..THIS is what is getting hairy... anything over 22lr is getting or has gotten stupid already and getting worse...

[Ford8N]

Actually, that's not true. Compared to many other states, we have more gun stores within closer range of each other, more per capita. California is still the #1 state for firearm purchases.

I have family in the midwest and the south, and gun stores are few and far between, with long drives between them; and the other surprising aspect is that while those states have no infringement on items that California erroneously calls "Assault Weapons" many of those stores don't typically have such firearms in stock on the shelves; you often only see bolt-actions, standard shotguns, basic Glocks and 1911 types, and MAYBE one or two AR-styled rifles.

Another surprising fact; many don't even stock ANY replacement magazines other than the occasional Glock or 1911 mag for LEO that might need them quick. High-capacity or not, they don't stock them, merely because the stores that can legally sell them in their respective states, get outsold in those states by the internet or at gun stores for much less. On many of my visits to many gun stores, I was shocked that none had mags of any kind.

Most of our standard gun stores here in CA, have more in the store as a stocking dealer of ARs, AKs, Uzi, and various H&K items along with magazines and parts than you might find in many other "free" states.

It's BECAUSE of our laws we actually have more gun stores, and better gun stores at that.

I've noticed that too. But also there are a lot of "kitchen table" FFL's out of state too. In fact, I know one who is a Class III dealer who works out of his garage in a residential area, in a very pro gun state.

[-hanko]

Sorry fellas but although I am one of Calguns favorite ranters I can not out this establishment for the simple fact they have always treated me well since I bought my Arsenal, 1st gen Glock 21, and Mossberg 590 there in 1996 (Still have the Arsenal and never been shot..ahh yes envy me and its not for Sale) Neways... I also go there once or twice a week to shoot. I just wanted to know was the rise in pricing due to Osama..excuse me..Obama winning the elections? Not on my war wagon this time..sorry. Just wanted some input from yous (in my Brooklyn accent)

I usually avoid any post titled "So it BEGINS!"

Otoh, thanks for not giving a chit about everyone else here.

Same thing happened in the last election, and "How Soon We FORGET"...

Worst offender then was, IMO, Spikes. Didn't take too long for a bunch of folks to fall back in love with them.

Recheck your definition of "gouging"...as long as the commodity is not sole-sourced, it's the free market at work.

-hanko

[INDABZ]

Yet I can order just about anything I want and still buy it there, only difference is I can't walk in and fondle the merchandise. Even if I took the kitchen table FFL's off that list, it'd only be removing two(UG imports does actually have an office).

Yes you can order what you want and it will ship as long as it's in stock at the distributors.....

An office is not a store......am splitting hairs but there is a big difference bwtn operating out of your house or office.....and paying rent on 3000 sq ft......

Jeez its not like these FFLs are driving around in lambos....

[Merc1138]

Can't get anything from a gun shop unless they can get it from a distributor or manufacturer, unless you're buying their used/consignment inventory. My point still stands, there are areas in CA with more places to buy guns within minutes of eachother than you would normally find elsewhere, simply because of the number of people buying guns in this state. If we didn't have so many gun buyers, we wouldn't have so many gun shops.

Back to the original topic, guns and ammo are getting more expensive from every manufacturer, it's to be expected. Everyone knew panic buying was going to happen(it even started weeks before the election), and of course prices are going to go up across the board if shops can sell the merchandise at the inflated prices(and apparently they're managing to do so). If you chose not to buy before the election, that's your own fault.