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  • TonyNorCal
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2004
    • 7752

    Do you respect FFLs who won't touch OLLs?

    Do you respect FFLs who won't touch OLLs? Or, do you feel that all FFLs should sell anything that's legal. Period.

    I suppose this can also be qualified a bit.

    There are the no-OLL FFLs who rant and rave and tell you it's illegal, make a big scene, tell you all sorts of nonsense, and try to make you feel like a criminal.

    And, there are the no-OLL FFLs who explain politely that while they know others are doing it they simply choose not to.

    And of course there's the confounding factor that FFLs receive bad info from the DOJ.

    So, what are your feelings towards FFLs who won't do the OLL thing? Feel they should? Or, do you respect their choice?

    And, do you feel that an FFL who gets bad info from the DOJ should research places like CalGuns and come around?
  • #2
    Lateralus
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Sep 2006
    • 2041

    I believe in a persons right to do what they want. If they dont want to transfer an OLL, thats fine by me. Alot of them have a very good excuse; Their whole life is in their shop. All it takes is one DOJ mishap to ruin it all. The only thing that gets me upset is when they wont do it because they tell me i have an AW. Even then, i mostly just let them be. Ill try every now and then, but its a lost cause, they dont want to hear it.
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    • #3
      762cavalier
      NRA Training Counselor
      CGN Contributor
      • Oct 2005
      • 3626

      I have zero problems with an FFL that won't deal with OLL's if it is beyond their comfort zone and they state that. The FFL's that merely spread FUD, saying we are all going to jail, in "TWO WEEKS" just piss me off.
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      • #4
        GuyW
        Banned
        • Dec 2002
        • 4298

        If they have legality concerns, I can understand a dealer's position (but they need to stay up on their business...).

        If its a philosophical position, like the Poway gun store owner who opined in the newspaper (circa 1988) about assault weapons having no civilized purpose - they can just kiss my @#$...
        Last edited by GuyW; 02-09-2008, 12:19 PM.

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        • #5
          JHC
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2005
          • 1382

          I don't have any bad feelings towards Fudd FFLs, in fact I feel sorry for them for not realizing the market that they are missing out on.

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          • #6
            troyus
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2007
            • 1037

            It's like an FFL that won't transfer revolvers or anything in 45 LC. It's just stupid and doesn't make any sense.
            "War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

            - Smedley D. Butler

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            • #7
              Sgt Raven
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2005
              • 3826

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              • #8
                scfast
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2008
                • 691

                As long as there are other ffl's i dont care...i'll care when the all say no...my current ffl had a problem until i supplied proof that it was legal and that was that...
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                • #9
                  rivviepop
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 2528

                  A FFL is a business just like any other, they reserve the right to sell/deal what they want. FFLs are not like a state liquor store (if you're familiar with what that is), they're a regular business. As such you, as a consumer, have to respect their right to do as they please - otherwise your unspoken proposal is that someone should force them to sell something, which means government oversight.

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                  • #10
                    Sam Hainn
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 657

                    Their decision is theirs to make. McDonald's doesn't sell the Whopper and would probably refuse to supply me with one if I ordered it. If it is their decision, they are only doing more to chase customers who have already accepted their view, but then they go on an endless soapbox tirade about how illegal OLL's are (more than 2 years after the first purcahses of various Off List lower were processed I'd like to add ).

                    But OLL-unfriendly dealers should re-consider it more closely. Why? Just about everything I've spent money on since Febuary 2006 has been an Off list lower/receiver of some sort. There have been few exceptions, and in those cases, they were PPT's where I and or the seller only dealt with an OLL friendly dealer - same goes for if I were the seller. Often I or the both of us had something in the way of an OLL we were also buying from that same dealer at the same time. Some of these dealers are missing out. It's no longer limited to the $125 AR receiver anymore. It's the $1900 Vector, $1500 SIG, or $1700 USC that's selling. Oh, and FN FALs!
                    Last edited by Sam Hainn; 02-09-2008, 1:27 PM.
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                    • #11
                      modenar1
                      Member
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 316

                      I hav eno rpoblem with my FFL not excepting OLL. Actually the FFL i have been doing business with over the past 7 years, I asked them if they would do a OLL transfer. They kindly said, that they dont feel too comfortable with that, and would let other FFL's who know more about it, take care of it. I said thank you, and continued with my regular business there. I still go back there for my other transactions.

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                      • #12
                        supersonic
                        Calguns Addict
                        • May 2007
                        • 5885

                        Originally posted by JHC
                        I don't have any bad feelings towards Fudd FFLs, in fact I feel sorry for them for not realizing the market that they are missing out on.
                        My EXACT feelings. Thanks, J!!!

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                        • #13
                          mds2004
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 972

                          It is their business so it is their choice. They just want to be safe.
                          I do however have problems with the ignorant ones that get mad saying they are all illegal and are unwilling to listen due to their stubbornness and closed-mindedness.

                          If you wish not to sell or support OLLs because they are still somewhat iffy and pushing things, I completely understand. I do however there were more AK supporting dealers around. I am just spoiled living 30 minutes from 10percent.

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                          • #14
                            mds2004
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 972

                            Sorry but I have been reading "FUD" a lot recently and tried searching, but what does it stand mean?

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                            • #15
                              Skunkworks45
                              Junior Member
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 98

                              Respect them? Not sure if that's the right word. Do I care? No. I don't shop at Turners for guns anymore because they don't stock OLLs but I don't dislike them. They jsut don't have what I want. Did they lose out on my last 1911 buy? Yeah. I have not stepped a foot into any dealer that is not OLL friendly in the past year except a few weeks ago for a transfer on a gun I sold. Guess who is getting the brunt of all my ammo, accessory, gun cleaning & loading supply purchases too?

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