How's this shooting? Criticism welcome

[SURVIVOR619]

At 25 yards, learn to shoot through your shaking hands. At 25 yards, let the target be blurry and just focus on sight alignment. Ignore where the sights are in relation to the black bullseye, and focus on your trigger pull. Once you start the pull, finish it smoothly, or put down the gun and reset.

Try shooting at 25 yards on a completely blank target (shoot on the blank side of a normal target). Just aim at the middle of the paper; don't try to aim for a hole. You'll find you can group pretty well. The bullseye just serves as a distraction to try to snatch a perfect shot.

(note, that all this advice is from a bullseye shooter point of view, focusing on fundamentals, not speed and tactical)

I'm gonna heist the thread for a post and say thanks, I want to try this.

Respect to OP for seeking honest feedback in a sometimes vicious locale.

Survivor


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[jakuda]

I know I mentioned to ignore the sight picture in my post above, but what I meant is that the shooter should not focus on trying to get a 100% perfect sight picture. Your wobble is naturally going to move you in and out of perfect sight picture, so let it happen. Even if the sight picture isn't perfect, but your sight alignment and trigger pull are perfect you'll still get the shot in the 10ring.

When I shoot iron sights, I use a different sight picture than those mentioned above. I shoot a "sub 6oclock", which means I leave a line of white from the top of the front post to the bottom of the bullseye. The image below is a bit exaggerated, but should be close enough for an idea of sub 6oclock hold. For target shooting, sub 6oclock is useful since it allows the shooter to focus almost solely on sight alignment without the distracting bullseye getting in the way. Even if it's not ideal for selfdefense or practical shooting,it's a good training aid to make the shooter focus on sight alignment.

[brassburnz]

If your distances are correct, you are an excellent shot. The black of the 75 ft. smallbore rifle target is 2 3/8 inches, which means your group is around 3 1/2 inches.

The black of a 25 yard rapid fire pistol target in NRA Conventional pistol, or bullseye is 5 1/2 inches and the 10-ring is 3 inches, which means all of your shots would be in the black and most of them would break the 10-ring. If you took your 10 worst shots, you would score in the high 90's, either a 98 or 99. Most bullseye shooters I know would be OK with a 98 or 99 timed or rapid fire score, although shooting a clean 100 is everyone's goal.

I have custom built 1911 bullseye guns with red-dot sights and would have to be at my very best to shoot groups like this. My dot would cover the black of a 75 ft. smallbore rifle target. Shooting a group like this with a Sig 229 and open sights is exceptional.

[9mmepiphany]

If your distances are correct, you are an excellent shot.

Refer to post #5...the range only goes to 50 feet

[Mr_Monkeywrench]

Thanks guys for all the great advice. I really do appreciate it. Yeah, I think I need to work on my grip. Im more of a rifle shooter. When I shoot rifles, I use my sling wrapped around my bicep and a VERY soft grip for the support hand. With the trigger hand, I usually don't wrap my thumb around the stock. I usually rest it on the side and smooth press. But with three points of contact, it really helps with shaking. Im going to use a softer grip with the pistol.

As for brea, I think you are all right. It is in feet. The furthest shots was at the last line, second shots second furthest, and so on. When I had the target the furthest away, the front sight dot completely covered the bullseye target. I just focused on it the way I do with rifles. Someone once told me to focus on the front sight so much that if there was a novel written on it, I should be able to read out the first paragraph.

Also, My grip is where I wrap my right hand around to where the second knuckles are about at the front of the front strap of the grip. tip of trigger finger works the trigger and the support hand is thumb forward with palm covering the remaining area on the grip (full grip). My right thumb goes on the meat of the left (so I don't actuate the slide release on the SIG) and the fingers of left hand goes in between the fingers of the others. Bladed stance, knees slightly bent right arm fully extended and left with SLIGHT bend.

[Mr_Monkeywrench]

Im not a target pistol shooter, but I like challenging myself and improving. If this is a way to do so, Im in.

[SilverTauron]

One suggestion which will improve your shooting;start off in Double Action.

Yes, your first 10 targets will look like fresh *****. So did Jerry Mickulek's and everyone else's who started out. Thats why its called "practice".Eventually the shotgun patterns will shrink to something a little less embarrasing. With practice you'll start looking good when you shoot.

But it takes time, and it takes ammo. 250 round bulk packs of ammo help.

[blockfort]

I thoroughly confused. What were the actual distances you were shooting from?

[Shenaniguns]

I thoroughly confused. What were the actual distances you were shooting from?

He confirmed it was feet, it's not a knock on him but correct information helps with answering his questions.

[Supertac916]

OP not bad shooting and the other guys made some good points.

Your misses are mostly left of the target and you mention your hands shake. It's a problem many of us "Men" have because we believe that we need to vise grip the gun and control the recoil. It's why women tend to be better shooters starting out.

Your strong hand should be just enough to hold the gun and fairly relaxed. Your left hand is used to lock in your gun by applying direct pressure towards you. Most shooters who shoot left are usually gripping the gun too tightly and not pressing directly towards you. If your squeezing too hard with your right hand, we tend to do the same with our left. That pulls our shots left.

Try practice dry firing (Obviously, use common sense and safety precautions). Put a quarter on your front sight and learn to focus on the front sight and slowly press the trigger. You'll notice if you flinch or if your hands start shaking and the quarter falls off. It helped me back in the day, when I used to shoot single hole groups at 15 yards with my .45's.

Don't ask me to do it these days because I've converted to defensive handgun shooting, which is a whole different ball game

[9mmepiphany]

Thanks guys for all the great advice. I really do appreciate it. Yeah, I think I need to work on my grip. Im more of a rifle shooter. When I shoot rifles, I use my sling wrapped around my bicep and a VERY soft grip for the support hand. With the trigger hand, I usually don't wrap my thumb around the stock. I usually rest it on the side and smooth press. But with three points of contact, it really helps with shaking. Im going to use a softer grip with the pistol.

Yup, shooting a handgun is a bit different, as your shoulder joint takes the place of the butt stock and you right hand becomes the recoil shoulder for the action. Your left hand now needs to replace the tension of the sling in stabilizing the stock.

I had a client who had the reverse problem, he was trying to shoot a .338 magnum like a pistol and it was beating him up to where he was missing a lot while hunting bear in Alaska

Also, My grip is where I wrap my right hand around to where the second knuckles are about at the front of the front strap of the grip. tip of trigger finger works the trigger and the support hand is thumb forward with palm covering the remaining area on the grip (full grip). My right thumb goes on the meat of the left (so I don't actuate the slide release on the SIG) and the fingers of left hand goes in between the fingers of the others. Bladed stance, knees slightly bent right arm fully extended and left with SLIGHT bend.

It sounds like you have you right hand too far around (counter clockwise) the gun...trying centering the grip between the first joint (from the tip) and the second.

The placement of the left hand (filling the void behind the right fingers) is good as is resting the right thumb on the meat of the left.

It also sounds like you have some push/pull tension going on between the right and left hands...that will also cause your shots to pull to the left and also contribute to shaking

Try squaring yourself to the target more, drop the right foot back for balance, and extending both arms, but not locking either elbow out...this will reduce the shaking also as it brings more arm muscles into play