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  • Toolbox X
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2005
    • 2602

    Tool's accidental gun go boom story

    AD's/ND's happen. The more you are around guns, the more you will come to understand this. You will hear more stories of it happening and you will talk to more people that it happened to, and every person will tell you the same thing: They made a mistake, they thought the gun was unloaded. AD's happen when you least expect it and when you swear you KNOW the gun is safe and unloaded. Then the gun goes BOOM and you get to find out if the thing you were pointing at was important or not.

    Accidental/Negligible, it doesn't matter unless all you care about is who to blame afterwards. The gun still went off and a bullet just ripped into something.

    When I was in the Air Force one of my good friends was a Class 3 dealer and had lots of cool guns. He drilled into me the rule: Never point a gun at anything you don't want to destroy. Being the logical person I am, I thought this rule was rather silly. I mean, if I take a revolver, and verify it is empty, that revolver is nothing more than a hammer/paperweight. I can point it at my head and pull the trigger all day long. Logic wins. But he still drilled the rule into me. One day I was handling a brand new unloaded Steyr AUG he had just received, and I was holding it while talking to him when his wife came into the house and walked into the room the AUG was pointing at. My friend cut me off mid-sentence and asked me to please not point the AUG at his wife. Of course I immediately pointed it in a safe direction, but it ticked me off that he was so anal. We both knew the AUG was unloaded, but still he drilled that rule into me: Never point a gun at something you don't want to destroy, even if you are 100% sure it isn't loaded.

    A few years later I was driving across the country and had stopped to stay overnight at a friend's house. We were both into guns and excitedly showed off our firearms to each other. I had a new shotgun I was very fond of and he had just got a new .45 pistol he was in love with. Of course we unloaded everything and triple checked that each firearm was safe, and it was. Our conversation ran right into dinner so we sat down and started eating. I was still marveling at my friends .45 while we were at the table. I sat it down next to me and as we ate my friend's wife asked about the difference between single and double action. I picked up the unloaded pistol I had just sat down to show her. I knew for a fact this gun was unloaded and totally safe. My thought process literally went like this: Should I point it at (A) my friend's wife, (B) my friend's dog, (C) my friend's big screen TV, or (D) at a blank spot high up on the wall.

    "This is a double-action," I said, "see how when I pull the trigger the hammer comes back?" BOOM!!!

    My friend uses that .45 as his home defense gun, and he likes to keep it loaded with a round in the chamber. Somewhere in the very short period of time between when I sat the pistol down on the table next to me, and when I picked it up again, I hadn't seen him pick it up and load it back to the way he stores it.

    The bullet went through the wall near the ceiling, into my friend's bedroom, through the ceiling, into the attic, through the plywood roof, ricocheted off the underside of a roof tile (it cracked the tile), and lodged itself somewhere in the edge of the attic.

    I could have killed his wife!!! The thought actually went through my head that it was perfectly safe to point it at her. I also could have killed his dog or his TV, had it not been for Rule #1. It was a little later, after the adrenaline wore off, that I realized that always pointing every gun in a safe direction, even when you are 100% sure it isn't loaded, that is for practice so you will automatically do it when you make a mistake.

    The other reason Rule #1 is so important is because it is the easiest rule to teach to other people, especially non-gun people. All of these complex rules like:

    - Check the chamber every time you pick up a gun.
    - Never pull the trigger unless you are outside in an igloo at night time wearing night vision goggles.
    - Never pull the trigger in the same room as ammo or magazines or spandex.

    Some of these are good rules to follow but they require gun experience, understanding, practice and diligence. You cannot effectively teach them to an an 8 year old, or a non-gun person, and they are also sometimes impractical.

    Most important though, when a mistake it made and a gun fires unintendedly, these rules by themselves will not protect people because they do not require the gun be pointed in a safe direction.

    Rule #1. Never point a gun at anything you don't want to destroy. This rule had been so drilled into me that I don't even think about it anymore, I just do it, even if I am 100% sure the gun was unloaded.

    I hope the people who read this will learn from my mistake and experience, and see how this rule probably prevented me from killing someone or some thing.

    -Grant

    PS. My wife still does not know this story and I would really prefer to keep it that way for another 10 or 20 years. So if you know me please to not bring it up or ask me about it when she is around. Thanks.
  • #2
    MudCamper
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 4595

    But why not treat all safety rules as applied 100% of the time? Why just one of them? (Your rule number 1, which is my rule number 2 BTW.)

    Another thing, which your story illustrates well, is that to me, a roof is not something that I want to destroy. Causes leaks, which are a pain in the ***. I'd much prefer a hole in my floor than my roof...

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    • #3
      Toolbox X
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2005
      • 2602

      Roof is better than TV which is better than dog which is better than friend's wife.

      I take even more care to find the safest direction possible now.

      A bullet will ricochet off a concrete slab foundation, especially if you shoot it beyond a certain angle, so be careful when you use the ground as your safe direction.

      I recommend following as many safety rules as possible. Safety is a huge priority. However Rule #1 is by far the most important and easiest to remember and it is also the easiest to teach to others, especially novice shooters and non-gun people.
      Last edited by Toolbox X; 01-21-2008, 12:13 PM.

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      • #4
        DedEye
        Calguns Addict
        • Nov 2006
        • 8655

        I was worried this was going to be another recent ND/AD story; glad it's from history and not this week .
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        • #5
          jdberger
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          • Oct 2005
          • 8944

          Two types of gun owners, those who've had an AD/ND and those who haven't had one yet.....
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          • #6
            Biff...
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 2070

            Good story, great example of what to do. I had a similar situation, coming home from the range a few months ago.

            After putting a few hundred rounds in my new Sig I headed home. When I arrived my wife was waiting for me with a friend of ours that had stopped by. Our friend wanted to know what a hand gun felt like. Well he saw my Sig box and asked if he could try it out, My heart stopped when he grabbed my the handgun without me checking it to see if it was loaded. Ofcourse I had removed the mag, and tripple checked at the range when I finished shooting. What I did not know is that my buddy that was at the range with me, had gotten off a few rounds when I went to the bathroom and had left a round in the chamber. When I left the range I removed the mag and stuck in the box but did not check the chamber.

            Well after my heart stopped a primal yell came out"Put the f**king gun down"" poor bastard got scared ****less. I grabbed the gun as fast as I could and opened up the chamber, their it was one round left over from my range trip. My mind raced thinking how I could have left a round in the chamber, I always check and re check and check again. This time I did not factor in another person shooting my weapon, needless to say I ripped my bud a new one.

            I would have caught the round in the chamber since I check my my weapons when I put them in the safe. My point being, is that if it wasn't for my "FEAR" of not following the safety rules one time, I would not have yelled at our friend he could have accidently fired off that single round.

            To this day I overly due the safety rules and make sure everybody in my family knows them.
            Last edited by Biff...; 01-21-2008, 1:39 PM.
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            • #7
              sloguy
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2007
              • 1999

              Originally posted by Toolbox X
              Roof is better than TV which is better than dog which is better than friend's wife.
              depends on the dog.
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              Originally posted by xrMike
              She's going to get sand in her action, if she's not careful.

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              • #8
                metalhead357
                Calguns Addict
                • Jan 2006
                • 5546

                Originally posted by jdberger
                Two types of gun owners, those who've had an AD/ND and those who haven't had one yet.....

                Sorry...I dont know if I buy that. THOUSANDS of GI's and police and civilians all have owned guns for years WITHOUT a ND. The closest I ever had was when I was a teen using a family members 20 O/U while Duck hunting. To this day I DONT call it a ND--rather a problem with the gun!!!!! He had just had it *tuned up* from a local gunsmith. We all locked and loaded and headed out towards the field. Something ran (jackrabbit) whereby we all drew down on it....I flipped off the safety with NO FINGER IN THE TRIGGER GUARD...and BOTH barrels went off.

                Boy did I get a lecture, even after my pleadings that I REALLY DID NOT HAVE MY FINGER ON THE TRIGGER. He still didn't believe me........well, that was until the following morning where he proceeded to get into a single hull aluminum boat, load, close action with the SAFETY ON and managed to fire BOTH barrels right into & through the hull creating a hole about the size of a cantelope. Boat sank.

                He was LESS than apologetic at first, but over the years a number of times I've had occasion to remind him of that incident...usually when he's trying to *prove* me wrong lol!

                But that story aside...... just within my family alone there is a combined total of well over 200+ *years* shooting experience without a ND.

                As the OP said...it is about mistakes; DONT make 'em....and if you forget that you MIGHT make one---> best to ALWAYS keep that gun pointed in a direction that you dont/wont mind having that object destroyed.
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                • #9
                  sloguy
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 1999

                  Originally posted by metalhead357
                  Sorry...I dont know if I buy that.
                  but you just told the story of yours.

                  doesnt matter why it happened, it happened. the gun went off when you didnt intend it. mechanical failure is still an accidental discharge.

                  so, yeah, it is possible to never have one. but if we are all 100% truthful, most of us can remember "that one time".
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                  • #10
                    AKman
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2007
                    • 889

                    Originally posted by metalhead357
                    Sorry...I dont know if I buy that. THOUSANDS of GI's and police and civilians all have owned guns for years WITHOUT a ND.
                    Not defending ND's, but where have you been? I can think of two fairly recent LEO ND's that have circulated around on the internet. One was a LA Sheriff that shot himself in the head while cleaning his gun. The other was a video of a firearms instructor that shot himself (I don't remember the exact details of where he was hit). I'm sure this happens quite frequently amongst the "experts." Also, how often are NDs actually reported? I have seen several that have occurred due to gun malfunctions or quirks (e.g., gun fires when chambering a round).
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                    • #11
                      BillCA
                      Veteran Member
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 3821

                      The Rules

                      When discussing The Rules, the very first rule is always;

                      Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction

                      If you violate the other rules and the gun goes BOOM, you have not hurt anyone nor destroyed anything that cannot be replaced.

                      The second rule - Treat all guns as if they are loaded means you handle them carefully, with deliberate thought for safety. This should include Rule #1.

                      Rule #3 logically follows the first two -- keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire. (aka: keep yer booger hook off the bang switch!)

                      Following these three basic rules will ensure that only a mechanical failure results in an unintended discharge and if that happens, no one should be hurt.

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                      • #12
                        BaronW
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 989

                        Originally posted by jdberger
                        Two types of gun owners, those who've had an AD/ND and those who haven't had one yet.....
                        That sounds like anti-gunner sentiment to me. Your statement implies that every gun owner will eventually have a negligent discharge. It is not impossible to be a life-long gun nut without putting a hole someplace you'd rather not. I do agree, however, with what you really meant - that it's foolish to assume it will never happen to you!
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                        • #13
                          Rob P.
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 1223

                          Those people who believe that AD's and ND's are avoidable are wrong.

                          Just as driving defensively and safely doesn't mean you won't get a citation or have an accident, safe gun handling is no guarantee that you won't have an accidental discharge.

                          The reason is that the odds of an accident increase the more often you interact with something. If you drive more, then the odds increase that you'll either get a ticket or have an accident. Just because you're out there more than the next guy.

                          Same deal with firearms. The more you handle them, the greater the odds of something going wrong.

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                          • #14
                            Q
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 6590

                            I never keep a round in the chamber. I point to the ground versus the sky.

                            This reminds me of a post on akforum where this guy had a glock holstered to his hip and he was sitting eating dinner and some how put a bullet through his leg..it had pics and everything!
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                            • #15
                              chickenfried
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 7160

                              Sure if we had an infinite lifespan. Being human and imperfect, the odds would catch up with us eventually we'd have a ND. But in our short time on earth, a ND is definitely avoidable. Given a finite time, increased odds do not mean an event is unavoidable. I'm not saying I will never have one. But it's up to me, not up to lady luck.

                              Driving is a poor example because you can't control other people's actions.

                              Originally posted by Rob P.
                              Those people who believe that AD's and ND's are avoidable are wrong.

                              Just as driving defensively and safely doesn't mean you won't get a citation or have an accident, safe gun handling is no guarantee that you won't have an accidental discharge.

                              The reason is that the odds of an accident increase the more often you interact with something. If you drive more, then the odds increase that you'll either get a ticket or have an accident. Just because you're out there more than the next guy.

                              Same deal with firearms. The more you handle them, the greater the odds of something going wrong.
                              Last edited by chickenfried; 01-21-2008, 3:44 PM.
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