CAguns.net website

[ikeo]

What does that even mean?…Does it mean (to you) that the mere act of discharging a firearm in some sort of controlled fashion/venue/organized activity means that they are now somehow upholding or supporting the second amendment to the constitution?

As to your question of another member about what they are doing regarding laws, I personally recruit folks to join organizations such as CRPA, SAF for example. I also have spoken publicly to groups about why we need the constitution, the 2A in particular, it’s history, and why infringements are never good, despite generations who have grown up under oppressive laws that states like California are so eager to enact and enforce.

It’s great that you get people involved in shooting, but if you sell it as jus another “sport” without a bit of the history of why some of us are into firearms and the 2A, it becomes just another activity open to the government to regulate and trim down as it sees fit.

When people go to the range there’s a specific reason. The more they handle firearms the more they want to know. It’s not up to me to teach history while teaching handling. I work in areas of specialization, so I leave that to others to openly discuss. That’s where folks like yourself would come in and educate them on that part. If people got out of line talking to you, they would be reprimanded if they were disrespectful and you had very respectful and reasonable posts. We’ve removed a number of people from the site who were just there to argue. I make no claim that I know history like you guys. I refer to others when it comes to that and stay in my lane. I just wished this site focused more on that from a discourse POV.

The bigger picture goal is to do as you mention and you’d be a perfect person I’d try to support as I do with others those who can educate people, like kmoros gunownersca and more etc. It’s a multi pronged approach that requires a community. I’m only one person and understand my limitations and look for others who have specialties.

We’re just starting with the activity but will move into other areas over time, by end of year we should be at around 30k users after a year and a half. 1.65 years. Imagine 5. Look at how things will evolve if you zoom out. This is why I come back in the hopes that people will welcome more people and leave your imprint, the only issue now based on what I’ve heard is negative but that can change to positive if people are more accepting. The sport and training is the starting point.

[Spyder]

You guys are twisting so many things again based on your biases.

I speak for no one other than myself, but I twist nothing. Your words were very clear. Nothing you say will ever change the fact that you've said you want to rewrite history, redefine words, eliminate an entire peaceful passionate culture, and marginalize a huge population of Americans as irrelevant. That sounds very... well. Very a lot of things that are the exact opposite of Freedom and Liberty. But, you said yourself that you've chosen to redfine those words so it doesn't surprise me at all.

[rickster1269]

The same thing happened to everybody else on here. Quit your bitching and move on.

NO #$% Sherlock

[splithoof]

I make no claim that I know history like you guys. I refer to others when it comes to that and stay in my lane. I just wished this site focused more on that from a discourse POV.

The sport and training is the starting point.

In your own words, please tell me what is the reason that the 2A continues to exist in our country?…

[splithoof]

Crickets???…I thought so.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

The safety comes with making sure people who own firearms are trained and comfortable with firearms handling and usage. You guys are twisting so many things again based on your biases. I’ve trained more people and had them use more rounds in the past year than majority of people will shoot in their lifetime.

People have the right to discuss. If you’re not willing to debate or convince others of your position and instead relegate your arguments to they allow these people, WTH does your definition of freedom mean?

You guys are giving me a hard time for people discussing their positions. There’s plenty of people who opine back and forth, that’s why the site is growing and not a community of people agreeing each other all the time like many do here, while alienating a growing segment. Civility is a requirement and I’m sorry if people can’t handle another Americans position.

Ive always said this site needs to exist for the benefit of the entire space because of the differences but collaboration between communities is the only REAL way to enable change in a broader level. Many people can see what I’m trying to do, beyond the superficial tribalism, but many don’t too. I will maintain a consistent approach to see if I’m able to initiate change in a broader level but this kind of insinuation is heavily biased. I put in a lot of effort to promote awareness but you guys see the opposite, it’s funny but in the long term the results will speak for themselves. I’ve also always said members here are welcome to discuss there, newbs need guidance. People should bounce between sites and learn and teach from one another. IMHO that’s a healthy community but for whatever reason you want to believe tribalism is more appropriate. You need numbers in this state. Please look at the bigger picture. We’re growing and it’s still worth while to pick this site up but I encourage folks to be more open minded and welcoming to people and try to exercise patience.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've claimed to be a relative 'newbie' to firearms, but you've trained more people... uh, yeah.

You've said the site needs to exist for the 'benefit' of the entire space... But, you pointedly and repeatedly denounce the majority of posts and posters here. The 'benefit' you cite in your own posts is eliminating what you deem to be inappropriate posts from your site and the relegation of members you disapprove of to this site; typically ignoring the fact that many of the members you have on your site have been banned from this site, which includes allowing and/or having allowed them to post denigrating things about this site and Kestryll on your site.

Civility? So long as you agree with the post, you then deem it to be 'civil.' If you disagree with it, you have numerous epithets. That's without, once again, talking about how you've talked about the member you banned for pointing out you were using inappropriate language in terms of blaming the gun instead of the shooter, blaming that member as an instigator and someone with an agenda when all we saw was someone attempting to 'educate' those who weren't expressing things consistent with being truly pro-2nd Amendment. You see, people here can be civil and they can even handle incivility, but they aren't tolerant of lies, distortions, and misrepresentations of historical facts, traditional interpretations, and fundamental truths. As in those things the Declaration of Independence declares to be self-evident aren't necessarily open to 'opinion,' even if the 'debates' involve clarification.

You keep falling back on catch phrases and 'woke' terms such as tribalism. The problem you have, and I've warned you about this before, is that you don't utilize, let alone understand, the full definition or applications of such phrases and terms. Take 'tribalism.' Definitionally, all it means is the human tendency to band together in groups, with those groups 'joined' around a common interest or interests. The term itself isn't and wasn't intended to convey a negative. The negativity has stemmed from the adoption of the term by those with an agenda and wishing to convey a 'message' without sounding negative. Contrary to how many use it, such as yourself, it wasn't intended to represent 'the past' and juxtapose it to a bright and glorious future where we're all like-minded or cohesive in our interests, goals, attitudes, etc. In that sense, it could be said that you are setting 'tribalism' (as a negative) against 'collectivism' (as a positive).

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the United States has never been a 'collectivist' entity. Even the name itself, United States, indicates a certain level of diversity, where the states are often incorrectly vilified as 'tribal' in nature. When you look at the states, they too are divided based on regions and those regions are 'vilified' as tribal; just look at Newsom's Prop 50 advertising. Put succinctly, you will note one of the national mottos... E pluribus unum... "Out of many, one." The idea is that it is contrary to human nature to disavow and abandon 'tribalism.' Thus, by its very nature, tribalism is not inherently bad or evil.

Where the 'one' comes from isn't an elimination of the 'tribes' but a joining of them, despite their differences, into a separate entity, while allowing for the very differences which create the 'tribes.' That's why it's called The Great Experiment in that it had not been done or done successfully in human history and the jury is still out. You see, as negative as you are about 'tribalism,' you are speaking for your own 'tribe' in that you have your own site, with its own rules, which very much reflect your own druthers. In fact, you talk about 'community,' alluding to what you deem as 'tribalism' here, cast that 'tribalism' as a negative, then point to the 'community' you are creating as a 'better' option. It's the very definition of tribalism.

What was it I said about you not utilizing or understanding the full definition or applications of such phrases and terms? By denouncing tribalism, yet promoting your 'group' as a superior alignment, you are, in fact, engaging in the very thing you decry. That's not 'muddling' your message. That's simply hypocritical, at best, and nefarious at worst. What did I say about the members here not being tolerant of lies, distortions, and misrepresentations of historical facts, traditional interpretations, and fundamental truths?

You want us to ignore past posts you've made in favor of what you deem to be 'better messaging.' It's not 'better messaging,' it's simply rewriting the script to make it more palatable, you hope. Such is the very thing the Left does egregiously and blatantly while denying it's the very thing they are doing, all the while claiming to be promoting something 'better.'

That's part of your problem. As I've said, I don't, personally, have a problem with another 'gun site' or '2nd Amendment' site being available. I don't even blame the members from here wishing to participate over there while the problems with this site are sorted out and corrected. But, your definition of 'collaboration' isn't what you are attempting to claim it is. That's not 'tribalism' or 'blindness' on our part. That's taking your own posts/statements/actions and accepting them for what they are. Don't like it? Don't blame us. We're simply taking you at your word rather than for your 'spin.'

[oddball]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Basically in short form, the raccoon is a f*ckin commie with guns

[Spyder]

...

[splithoof]

Has anyone from here ever actually met the owner of that site in person? I read about all this “sport and training” from an individual relatively new to the world of firearms, and it reminds me of past “gun celebrities” who quickly rose to prominence, then rapidly declined after a short bit, due to a variety of circumstances.

[jarhead714]

Has anyone from here ever actually met the owner of that site in person? I read about all this “sport and training” from an individual relatively new to the world of firearms, and it reminds me of past “gun celebrities” who quickly rose to prominence, then rapidly declined after a short bit, due to a variety of circumstances.

Unlikely when one considers that the Calguns is predominantly comprised of heterosexual males.

[splithoof]

I was asking because on the occasions when I’ve met folks from gun related content sites, their in-person demeanor is not exactly the same as what they project online. I do find however, that the older folks (like myself, at 60) tend to be more even across the board in that regard.
I have never to my knowledge met the Raccoon, so I couldn’t say. Their postings as I have read most certainly do not align with my beliefs at this point, but I am still waiting for a reply to my previous question.

[splithoof]

So, after a few days of this I doubt I may hear a response, so it is what it is.
Out of curiosity I wandered over there, and read the thread about the Duncan v Bonta case. Wow, that was an eye-opener. Short note on it is that a number of folks who post over there are what is IMO a direct threat to our 2A as we know it. They may technically be gun owners/users, but they blame the object for the evils of people, same as those who use that poor excuse to ban firearms. I find it sickening.

[davidj]

So, after a few days of this I doubt I may hear a response, so it is what it is.
Out of curiosity I wandered over there, and read the thread about the Duncan v Bonta case. Wow, that was an eye-opener. Short note on it is that a number of folks who post over there are what is IMO a direct threat to our 2A as we know it. They may technically be gun owners/users, but they blame the object for the evils of people, same as those who use that poor excuse to ban firearms. I find it sickening.

That was the very same response from racoon, saying the gun that shot his friend is at fault, not the person who pulled the trigger. He denied saying that on this site, till a screenshot from his site caught him in a lie, one of several lies using his own words against himself. IMHO-he is a pos. I could never ever be involved in anything that he is involved in.

[Oneaudiopro]

Unfortunately the "other" site is being run and moderated by flaming liberals. Sad but true. Watch what you post or they'll ban or block you. You've been warned.

[ikeo]

That was the very same response from racoon, saying the gun that shot his friend is at fault, not the person who pulled the trigger. He denied saying that on this site, till a screenshot from his site caught him in a lie, one of several lies using his own words against himself. IMHO-he is a pos. I could never ever be involved in anything that he is involved in.

That’s not what I said, but it says a lot about you to make that up. I don’t blame the gun, and blame the killer who got 50 years. I think it says a lot about this community though and it’s no wonder why this community is the way it is. I’ve had more than one friend gunned down, again I don’t blame the weapon. Instead, I train people to be able to defend themselves. There’s been several hundreds of people now based on the training I’ve done or brought to California.

I think your words are quite despicable and one of the biggest reasons to the downfall of the site. Folks like yourself try to bring people down and it’s a sad thing to see.