Is Cali successful driving out shooting sport?

[The Gleam]

I hear ya Gleam, I had to quit shooting at cigarettes a long time ago.😎

In my case, I had to stop shooting at cigarettes, because the wife said I was getting closer and closer to taking off her nose each time.

I'm no Bob Munden, but the audience loved it anyway.

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[beerman]

Classic Gleam👍

[Thrashard340]

From land use restrictions, to taxes, fees and regulations it’s painfully obvious alot of folks can’t afford to shoot anymore . The bump from $1 to $5 in ammo background checks is just the latest of a thousand cuts. 11% excise tax have to be putting gun shops out of business. These pr&@ks are winning. All I can say is I’m glad I reload, but I don’t know how most you guys manage this sport anymore. Just venting, I hate this state’s government.

I think Cali is having limited success. If you live inland, Socal or basically outside of the Bay Area, you sill have decent options in terms of BLM, shooting ranges, guns/ammo stores that have been minimally impacted by all of the legislation in recent years. If you are in the Bay Area like me, my favorite outdoor range (Chabot) was basically shut down by anti-gunners. My observation is if Cali can't outright legislate gun bans, they will make it as cost prohibitive as possible. This is a discriminatory way to prevent lawful citizens in low income areas (or even lower middle class) from owning firearms.

[Batman]

The clowns hand over the rope to hang us on outdoor spots. Garbage, starting fires, lobbing rounds over hills. Makes it easy for them to get places shut down. Do other states have this problem too or do we enjoy having extra idiots here?

We need to start identifying as Unhoused Shooters. There would be made an entire Homeless Shooters Industrial Complex, with advocates stating how being unhoused shooters isn't a crime, and that they should actually EXPAND the areas we can shoot! It worked for the homeless, for the drug addicts, and undocumented... why not us?

[hermosabeach]

The old timers can list all the gun stores that are done.

when was the last time a new range opened in LA

[Dan_Eastvale]

I'm sure it has for many gun owner shooting habits for whom money IS an object. Less range time, Less large quantity ammo use in each range session, and less ammo purchasing. This trend will worsen as more and more roadblocks are imposed by the state and cities.

The only time this will significantly change or cease entirely will be if California somehow is able to make ownership and shooting illegal and subject to confiscation.

That would take a Mamdani type Governor and Sacramento government.

[ar15robert]

Its a ca way to limit the sport.they dont care about rec shooting whatsoever.

As for range prices here in az it aint much cheaper for indoor range you wiill still spend 25-30 bucks id rather put 15 in my truck and head to open desert 25 min away but right now stage 2 fire restrictions has it closed and ranges only option outdoor are very reasonable priced.

[omega]

Im still sitting on my pre pandemic ammo , the prices never really came back to normal , the new norm is more than double the price plus extra fees

the only thing I can do is find new hobbies like biking , but they are going after PEVs and ebikes too

[Capybara]

They are achieving success. Most younger people I know, family and friends who have a family and kids can't even afford to buy a gun and go shooting anymore. My little brother has a very good job and makes bank. But add in car payments, mortgage, groceries and utilities and there just isn't money left to buy guns, ammo, range time. He has to live vicariously through me as I drive a cheap paid off car, have no consumer debt and spend almost all discretionary income on guns, ammo, and shooting. I can only afford it because I am very frugal but my kids are grown, I no longer have a wife who lives to waste money, etc. The State is succeeding in discouraging younger people to buy guns and go shooting as it's now almost as expensive as golf. Guns and shooting is now for the upper middle class the wealthy. It's no longer for average Americans. Which I think has been the plan all along. Passive disarmament.

[SG29736]

Matches in my area stopped for a while at the worst of the covid. But they resumed as soon as possible. I had plenty of components pre covid and haven't had to buy primers or powder to keep shooting. I have recently bought a little at good prices. A lot of guys talk about being stocked up but they're just sitting on it hardly ever shooting to "save"" it. Other then when ranges were shut down most of us who like to compete continued doing it. Also for some shooters 5000 rounds worth of ammo or components gets them through years of shooting. For others not even one year.

[Capybara]

Most Calgunners are old and well off, if not wealthy. Not all, but most. Talk to 20-30 somethings and even when they want to get into guns, they simply can't afford it.

[Fastattack]

The simple truth is: They will never go away, and they will never give up. They will also never be content or satisfied.
It has taken literally decades, but yes, they are slowly winning.

[SG29736]

Most Calgunners are old and well off, if not wealthy. Not all, but most. Talk to 20-30 somethings and even when they want to get into guns, they simply can't afford it.

That's true in many cases. But for a lot of people it depends on what they prioritize. People will easily spend an extra 5 or 10 thousand dollars or more on vehicles that they want, not need, and then say they can't afford various things including guns. The type of vehicle that they want to have to show friends is the priority. This is just one example. There are plenty of others.

[Capybara]

That's true in many cases. But for a lot of people it depends on what they prioritize. People will easily spend an extra 5 or 10 thousand dollars or more on vehicles that they want, not need, and then say they can't afford various things including guns. The type of vehicle that they want to have to show friends is the priority. This is just one example. There are plenty of others.

True. Even a bit true for my little brother, they have a nice house, three kids, wife drives a $70k SUV. I make guns a priority for me because I really enjoy them and having an expensive car means nothing to me but debt. And unlike most people, I didn't begin spending significantly on guns until I had zero consumer debt as I don't believe in debt. Debt is slavery.

[Snoopy47]

In California firearms are for the purpose of killing people. Nothing more. 2A ensures we will have access to firearms for that sake. Effectively all other uses are being attacked.

Now, that said. I personally see a rise in competitive shooting participants. So no, I don't think CA is being successful. As well, I think the whole opening up the CCW path has made things much better with adding folks to the firearm use and ownership community.

Finally...............

Competitive shooting is relatively inexpensive given many other vices in life.