Catastrophic failure

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40 is higher pressure and has an unsupported portion of the chamber. It breaks guns more than 9mm IMHO because of the extra snap. Glad you or someone wasn't hurt worse.

Totally . And being that p2000 has a short barrel and a little tall on top it definitely has some snap .. oddly if I remember accurately it didn't have a whole lot of snap when it blew up

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I hear what you are saying...............

I'd recommend a slower voluminous powder that at full manufacture recommended limits would OVER FLOW THE CASE. These are powders I hate of course. They meter poorly and don't fully burn off.

It might not end up your best shooting load, but it would be a big step toward a SAFER load.

It also doesn't prevent squibs.

That is a good idea I don't care if the powder is lame not having any fingers is way Lamer literally

[eaglemike]

40 is higher pressure and has an unsupported portion of the chamber. It breaks guns more than 9mm IMHO because of the extra snap. Glad you or someone wasn't hurt worse.

All true. Some people don't realize how much effect seating depth has on pressure, especially with faster powders. A friend had a G22 years ago, using powder manufacturer data that turned out to be unsafe. The manufacturer ended up changing the data. It was a fast powder. The case capacity is pretty small for the bullet weight and pressure of the .40 S&W. I know 180 grain is the most popular, but I've often thought 155 to 165 would be better, with 170 at the outside. We did used to shoot 200 grain, and a few guys 220 grain coated lead, but loaded as long as possible, using a slower powder for USPSA major loads. Some 1911 pistols in .40 have a long chamber to allow for that sort of thing.
I don't shoot anyone else's reloads in .40, even "factory" reloads. Either factory new, or my own stuff.

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All true. Some people don't realize how much effect seating depth has on pressure, especially with faster powders. A friend had a G22 years ago, using powder manufacturer data that turned out to be unsafe. The manufacturer ended up changing the data. It was a fast powder. The case capacity is pretty small for the bullet weight and pressure of the .40 S&W. I know 180 grain is the most popular, but I've often thought 155 to 165 would be better, with 170 at the outside. We did used to shoot 200 grain, and a few guys 220 grain coated lead, but loaded as long as possible, using a slower powder for USPSA major loads. Some 1911 pistols in .40 have a long chamber to allow for that sort of thing.
I don't shoot anyone else's reloads in .40, even "factory" reloads. Either factory new, or my own stuff.

What I don't get is how the side of the case blew out yet the case was fully seated on the chamber and had to be pried out . Did the side of the case evaporate? Where did it go ?

[Thrashard340]

Oh Wow! Just saw this. Glad no serious injury.

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Oh Wow! Just saw this. Glad no serious injury.

Crazy huh ? Talk about a pucker moment.

[hermosabeach]

I shoot a bit out in the sticks. No cell reception at the "range".

part of the pre shooting brief- besides 4 rules and the hot brass boogie reminder is the small med kit in the side of my range bag and the tourniquet as well.


I have the local ER address in the medical kit.
I discuss where the car keys are located



OP
glad you were not seriously injured. A relative dropped a 20 gauge into the chamber of an old English double. He assumed he dropped one shell on the ground so he loaded a 2nd shell

it was a massive KB as the 20'wedged down in the forcing cone. When the 12 gauge shell fired, the gun exploded.


he ended up in a burn ward as he needed a skin graft on his support hand.

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I shoot a bit out in the sticks. No cell reception at the "range".

part of the pre shooting brief- besides 4 rules and the hot brass boogie reminder is the small med kit in the side of my range bag and the tourniquet as well.


I have the local ER address in the medical kit.
I discuss where the car keys are located



OP
glad you were not seriously injured. A relative dropped a 20 gauge into the chamber of an old English double. He assumed he dropped one shell on the ground so he loaded a 2nd shell

it was a massive KB as the 20'wedged down in the forcing cone. When the 12 gauge shell fired, the gun exploded.


he ended up in a burn ward as he needed a skin graft on his support hand.

Damn when I was a kid my father woukd load us up stop by the big 5 on the way out to the desert 100s of times and nothing bad ever happened he's gone now but I dont think he ever was concerned about anything but the basic cardinal rules . Then again i never asked . Weird how it seems to feel more dangerous now then it did back then . It felt like a fire cracker went off in my hand with my incident.

[hermosabeach]

Did dad shoot concealed from a holster?

did dad shoot drills where you move while shooting?


when you stop shooting off a bench, things change.

better to have a plan and some gear vs being stuck

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Did dad shoot concealed from a holster?

did dad shoot drills where you move while shooting?


when you stop shooting off a bench, things change.

better to have a plan and some gear vs being stuck

Well considering it was in the late 70s /early 80s and he was taking his kids out to shoot while listening to some REO speedwagon and van Halen ( not van haggar) nope , no tactical shooting drills or running and gunning. Although he did let me shoot his marlin 444 with the butt stock up against his leg /thigh , which he had done many times with the 30.06 , but with the 444 he only did that once. . And as far as gear goes hearing protection was the only gear we had i dont think gear was a thing back then . Or if it was we didn't have any . .we didn't shoot off a bench we would just stand . I know that isn't very cool but all we had was our legs back then .

[Oldluck]

That sounds like a terrifying experience! Glad you’re okay and nothing worse happened. It’s crazy how something like an ammo defect can cause such a catastrophic failure. Good on you for reaching out to both HK and Federal — sounds like they handled it about as well as they could. Hopefully, the repairs get you back to shooting safely soon.

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That sounds like a terrifying experience! Glad you’re okay and nothing worse happened. It’s crazy how something like an ammo defect can cause such a catastrophic failure. Good on you for reaching out to both HK and Federal — sounds like they handled it about as well as they could. Hopefully, the repairs get you back to shooting safely soon.

Yeah everything was fixed hk sent me some spare mags and other stuff haven't taken it out yet . Gotta weigh out all my ammo take the average and then separate any cartridges that deviate from that average run them under a atomic microscope/x ray machine to check for powder volume levels. I really do not want to go through this type of situation again . I probably would not get the same level of understanding and empathy from hk . I wouldn't get any free mags that's for sure .