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  • Grendel Guy
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 2267

    Originally posted by Exasmg

    Legality has long been out of the ordinary in CA
    LOL

    But I hear ya
    I thought one the property is purchased, it includes water and mineral rights.

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    • TrappedinCalifornia
      Calguns Addict
      • Jan 2018
      • 9031

      Originally posted by Grendel Guy

      I thought one the property is purchased, it includes water and mineral rights.
      Not in California.

      PG&E has long had the reputation for disabusing land owners who simply wish to use water flowing and even rain water landing on their property. I knew a guy 35 or 40 years ago who bought some acreage in Lassen County, planted a trailer home on it, then tried to water a garden by diverting the stream on the property. He had a Sheriff's Deputy show up with a cease and desist order. Why? Because PG&E had the water rights from 'the surface to the core of the Earth.'

      According to the California State Water Resources Board...

      ...Water is protected for the use and benefit of all Californians. California's waters cannot be owned by individuals, groups, businesses, or governmental agencies. But permits, licenses, and registrations give individuals and others the right to beneficially use reasonable amounts of water...

      In California, water rights law is administered by the State Water Resources Control Board (often called simply the State Water Board). Within the State Water Board, the Division of Water Rights acts on behalf of the State Water Board for day to day matters. The State Water Board is the only agency with authority to administer water rights in California. Local governments, water districts, and the California Regional Water Quality Control Boards do not administer water rights. The State Water Board shares the authority to enforce water right laws with the state courts...

      The use of water without a water right is a trespass against the State of California and can lead to fines of up to $500 per day of use. If you are using water illegally, you can be required to stop taking and using water...
      Let's just say that 'water rights' in California is a complex, labyrinthine system... or... it can be. You might want to consult the page I linked to so as to get a sense for how things work.

      Similarly, mineral rights in California can also become... complex. California Mineral Rights...

      ...The concept of mineral rights in California is underpinned by a complex legal framework, where these rights can be owned separately from the land itself. This separation creates a unique dynamic between the surface rights owner and the mineral rights owner, often leading to intricate negotiations and agreements. The mineral rights include a range of resources, from oil and gas to precious metals like gold, extending to less conspicuous commodities like coal and natural gas...
      In short, water and mineral rights don't, of necessity, automatically transfer with property ownership.

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      • Grendel Guy
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 2267






        In short, water and mineral rights don't, of necessity, automatically transfer with property ownership.
        [/QUOTE] figures.

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        • smittty
          Calguns Addict
          • Feb 2008
          • 6254

          Originally posted by Deelayed

          Damn it how do I kero missing all of these chances to vote on these unconstitutional firearm laws . Is there a app to let me know which closed door to knock on and at what time in the middle of the night . It's almost like they don't want my vote .
          Vote, they vote for you, how do you think the keep winning!

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          • Deelayed
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2020
            • 692

            Originally posted by Grendel Guy




            In short, water and mineral rights don't, of necessity, automatically transfer with property ownership.
            figures.

            [/QUOTE]

            So in essence what we have here is a situation where sure , you can purchase and own land . But if there is anything the state finds of value i.e. water,minerals ,location (annexation),etc.then well your ownership is debatable.

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            • Deelayed
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2020
              • 692

              One question I have is why ? What is the reason for having an obsession to destroy every prosperous aspect of living in this state ? From driving the the successful businesses out along with that tax base ,to the whole free for all crime policy . I understand the size and dynamics of the state of CA ,which leads me to wonder why those that are "in charge " are so hell bent on its destruction .the only reason I can conclude is that California is the proverbial first domino to fall in relation to the the rest in the nation .

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              • Zenderfall
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2017
                • 600

                Originally posted by Deelayed
                One question I have is why ? What is the reason for having an obsession to destroy every prosperous aspect of living in this state ? From driving the the successful businesses out along with that tax base ,to the whole free for all crime policy .
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                • SCSnyder
                  Member
                  • Dec 2018
                  • 154

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                  • Supersapper
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2014
                    • 1225

                    Though I haven't read up on any changes to the law itself, can you cite source? or is it specifically in that stupid law and I just missed it?
                    --Magazines for Sig Sauer P6
                    --Walther P-38. Prefer Pre 1945
                    --Luger P08

                    Originally posted by ar15barrels
                    Don't attempt to inject common sense into an internet pissing contest.

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                    • Zenderfall
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2017
                      • 600

                      Originally posted by Supersapper

                      Though I haven't read up on any changes to the law itself, can you cite source? or is it specifically in that stupid law and I just missed it?

                      CHAPTER 3. Exemptions

                      36021.
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                      • BrokerB
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 5280

                        Disgusting " thin blue line, get home safe, pensions, just following orders".

                        Morals must be very low on those totem poles.

                        Public unions need to esad.
                        Beans and Bullets

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                        • Supersapper
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2014
                          • 1225

                          Originally posted by Zenderfall


                          CHAPTER 3. Exemptions

                          36021.
                          Why does this not surprise me.
                          --Magazines for Sig Sauer P6
                          --Walther P-38. Prefer Pre 1945
                          --Luger P08

                          Originally posted by ar15barrels
                          Don't attempt to inject common sense into an internet pissing contest.

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                          • G_FNH57
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2013
                            • 535

                            Got my ammo order from Velocity with no excise tax. I have FFL 03

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                            • boltstop
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 927

                              Originally posted by Zenderfall


                              CHAPTER 3. Exemptions

                              36021.

                              (a) There are exempted from the tax imposed by this part, the gross receipts from the retail sale of any firearm, firearm precursor part, or ammunition to any active or retired peace officer as well.
                              What possible moral case can be made to exempt a class of citizen (active or retired LEOs in this case) from a tax on goods acquired for their own personal possession?
                              Last edited by boltstop; 07-16-2024, 1:11 PM.

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                              • Zenderfall
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2017
                                • 600

                                Originally posted by boltstop

                                What possible moral case can be made to exempt a class of citizen (active or retired LEOs in this case) from a tax on goods acquired for their own personal possession?
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