Scary experience at gun shop

[paul0660]

stupidest thing

Pricetags.

[calif 15-22]

I'm sorry but that's just pure discrimination and the range can get sued. I've been mistaken for a gangster because of the way I look but I am in no way affiliated with gangsters.

I am Filipino with a shaved head and tattoos. I think it would be pure ignorance to discriminate on looks. It's tough enough being discriminated on for my skin color on a regular basis. I would hate to have that happen at a range where I go to wind down after a long day's work.

None of the above are discrimination except your national origin (Filipino) You CANNOT legally discriminate for the following.
These are "Protected Classes"
Race
Color
National origin
Sex
Sexual orientation
Religion
Marital status
Familial status
Age
Ancestry

You CAN choose to discriminate with regards to:
Gangsters (or people that look like gangsters)
Clothing
Tattoos
People that look like they can't handle a gun
People that look crazy
Big Ear spacers
Shaved heads
Long hair
Ugly
Political Party
Blonde
Red Heads
Bad smell
Bad breathe
Bad personality
No shirt
No shoes
Bad attitude
Just because I don't like you
Or because my dog doesn't like you
so on and so on

All perfectly legal. People think you can't but you can. Should you is a different story, but can you discriminate . . .as long as not based on protected class.

I think TM and other places that rent guns, care more about the $16 gun rental and the $22 box of ammo than safety of shooter.

I could be wrong, but they should just say nicely:
"I'm sorry you don't seem to understand English very well therefore you may not be able to understand the RO" or
"You can't seem to show me you know how to handle the gun so for your safety and the safety of others, I'm not going to rent to you today" or
"If you would take the HSC and demonstrate you can handle the weapon I will reconsider renting to you" or

"Dude you can't shoot with your girlfriend in a tube top. Come back when she is dressed more appropreately"

Just my 2 cents . . . .

[xdeslitx]

Ok you're right it won't hold up in court. I was just rattled and didn't think before i responded. But it is still discrimination...ignorance...and unethical

[alfred1222]

I would have no problem at all if ranges were allowed to discriminate people based on their attitude, clothing attire, or just looked like a bad seed!!!!
You look like a gang banger...get the F out....
Your wearing a low cut skirt and stilettos, get the F out...who the hell goes shooting in club attire??
You cant speak english, or understand what the RO is telling you, get the F out..
You keep violating rules, such as keep finger off trigger, or not handling the firearm correctly multiple times, get the F out..

If I was at a range and some dummy sets up next to me, is being unsafe, Id ask the RO to do something about it..If it persisted, then Id leave and expect my money back..

The scarriest thing Ive seen at an outdoor range was someone went to check their target right after the RO called the "cease fire, step away from your weapon"..Instead of just stepping away from their weapon, they started walking down range...

Im half and half on this one, I dont think discrimination is okay because there are some people that dress in a poor way, but are good shots and know how to handle guns. However, i do think that if someone is a new shooter, it is the ranges responsibility to make sure he is a safe shooter. Also, ranges that rent guns should require that the person doing the renting have a HSC. but than again thats just my opinion.

[lilro]

Also, ranges that rent guns should require that the person doing the renting have a HSC. but than again thats just my opinion.

I would agree with this if there weren't so many shops that won't do a HSC unless you plan to make a purchase.

[calif 15-22]

Ok you're right it won't hold up in court. I was just rattled and didn't think before i responded. But it is still discrimination...ignorance...and unethical

I have no problem with how someone looks or dresses or tats, I have a problem when I'm at the range with my son's and next to us is a group of 4 guys all sharing one rental .45 who obviously don't know the difference between a mag release and a safety.

These types of shooters scare me. Could be drunk, could be gangbangers, could be just tough guys looking to blow off steam.

The problem is guys like that are unsafe because they DO NOT RESPECT the firearm. Holding it sideways making comments about 50 cent videos or HALO or "saw this in Call of Duty" etc.

If you are a shaved head, tatted, pants on the ground kid, I don't care. Just respect my safety, the safety of others and the firearm you are using.

[paul0660]

I have no problem with how someone looks or dresses or tats,

I do. Isn't that what all that added on stuff is for? It's either a uniform or a costume, and someone chose to wear it.

[xdeslitx]

I do. Isn't that what all that added on stuff is for? It's either a uniform or a costume, and someone chose to wear it.

So if i see you at the range i expect you to be in a suit and tie because if you wear anything else i will assume that you're just some bum off the street who doesnt know how to handle a firearm safely.

[s2gots]

This is how I see things, you can argue that stereotyping, in general, is not right. BUT, if im in a situation where I am around danger, and I cant directly control that danger, lets say at a gun range where a bunch of people you dont know have guns, Im going to be on super high alert until I feel comftherable of my surrounding...Is someone wearing their pants around their knees with bright red bandanas going to draw more attention than a clean cut person, sure it is..Its not favorable to stereotype, but sometimes it just happens..
I believe its also the way you present yourself and body language. I went to the rifle range today. Two bays over from me was this big guy with tats, and a bunch of earings and what not...The time I was there, his attitude was always professional, his body language was not threatening to anyone. Every so often he would clean up his spent casings and keep a neat bay.
Each individual situation is unique, and needs to be handled differently!
These are strictly my views, and no way trying to insult any one....

[Dee_Dub]

Im glad to say that at this current moment in time Ive been pretty lucky at indoor shooting ranges. But Ive been treated like **** at an Indoor Range in the IE. My buddy and I decide to go to this indoor shooting range. We end up getting there right around 10. As we get buzzed in we wait at the counter for one of the two lazy retards behind the counter to acknowledge our presences. I notices theres a young kid at the counter. He looks like he just started highschool. One of the guns was a glock, i cant remember what the other one was. Obviously its not loaded but theres a box of ammo next to both of the guns... Neither one of the guys that worked there were watching him. So after 5 mins of waiting my buddy speaks up and asks the guy behind the counter of our intent to shoot. He takes one look at us and says fill out the form, and then goes back to reading his newspaper. I scan the whole counter and dont see any forms what so ever. So I ask him "where are the forms we need to fill out" He sighs and gets up off his lazy *** and throws a clip board to us that was on a desk behind a counter. At that point I should of just told my buddy lets just leave. But we decided to shoot anyway. At this particular range they give discounts to ff, leo, paramedics, emts. So when we go to pay I tell the knuckle head that we are both off duty ffs and inquire about a discount. He tells me thats only for LEOs... ok no big deal. So we go in the range and shoot. After we leave I told my friend that i wouldnt be going to that range again. He had said he wouldnt either but said its only thats close to where we live... not any more The city we live in is suppose to open up a indoor range at the end of the month. It should be alot safer. The city paid the owner of the shooting range about 80 k to allow all of their city cops to shoot there on duty.

A couple days later my friend whos an EMT gets a discount no prob... so much just for LEOs...

[S. Wong]

Scary moments

I had a friend and his brother meet me at an outdoor range with another friend of mine from church, who owns several firearms.

Their dad died and never taught them anything about firearms, but had a snubnose 38, so he and his brother brought it and a bunch of rounds.

These guys didn't respect the firearm, didn't have a clue how to operate the firearm, and when I first looked at it, I saw brass in the cylinder!

I told them that it was loaded, but they said that they'd been pulling the trigger all night last night at their house, and it had to be empty.

So I had to show them how to open the cylinder, eject the casings, and load the thing. They demonstrated their "awzm sklz" by barley hitting the target at 7 yds, and holding the gun sideways.

My other buddy from church had joined us, and we were both horrified at the complete lack of respect for the firearm and never shot with these two clowns again. What I can say is at least they obeyed the RO and kept their firearm pointed downrange the whole time once we were there.

[XD40SUBBIE]

The 2 ranges in the SF south bay that rent guns will not rent to people who don't have someone with them for this reason.

Of course that's not going to help a pair of people who make a suicide pact but it will stop the solo "I'm going to rent a gun and shoot myself" folks.

Still, I don't know why people who don't own guns would opt for that method, I guess they don't realize so much could go wrong.

If suicide was a legal option it would help with some of this, no one should have to walk into a room and see someone with their brains blown out, or swinging from a light fixture, dead in a car from CO poisoning, at the bottom of a pool chained to some weights or drug overdosing, or a splat stain under a bridge, etc...

Worst yet. What if the two suicidal dolts, decide to have you be the one to do the honors? What I mean is incite another shooter to do it for them? Ala Suicide by Cop...I don't think I would want to be morally burdened by that.

[zenmastar]

Probably while at the indoor range, someone's shot sound a little odd and a second later there was a lot of yelling and swearing. I had been shot at before so it did not bother me at first. Just like you, I did not think about it until well after.

[XD40SUBBIE]

None of the above are discrimination except your national origin (Filipino) You CANNOT legally discriminate for the following.
These are "Protected Classes"
Race
Color
National origin
Sex
Sexual orientation
Religion
Marital status
Familial status
Age
Ancestry

You CAN choose to discriminate with regards to:
Gangsters (or people that look like gangsters)
Clothing
Tattoos
People that look like they can't handle a gun
People that look crazy
Big Ear spacers
Shaved heads
Long hair
Ugly
Political Party
Blonde
Red Heads
Bad smell
Bad breathe
Bad personality
No shirt
No shoes
Bad attitude
Just because I don't like you
Or because my dog doesn't like you
so on and so on

All perfectly legal. People think you can't but you can. Should you is a different story, but can you discriminate . . .as long as not based on protected class.

I think TM and other places that rent guns, care more about the $16 gun rental and the $22 box of ammo than safety of shooter.

I could be wrong, but they should just say nicely:
"I'm sorry you don't seem to understand English very well therefore you may not be able to understand the RO" or
"You can't seem to show me you know how to handle the gun so for your safety and the safety of others, I'm not going to rent to you today" or
"If you would take the HSC and demonstrate you can handle the weapon I will reconsider renting to you" or

"Dude you can't shoot with your girlfriend in a tube top. Come back when she is dressed more appropreately"

Just my 2 cents . . . .

My friend, respectfully, you are misunderstanding the fundamentals. By its nature discrimination is illegal, based on the criteria you have provided true. However, being prejudicial is not illegal even based on your criteria. Semantics? perhaps, but it is legal speak. The difference being is that discrimination is acting upon one's prejudice. So you can raise your awareness because some midget (little people) guy walks into the range, that's a minority (which by the way, I am) has his pants to his ankles, wearing a pentagram pendant with a rainbow flag on his range bag. There's no law against that. However, if you refuse him access or service based on that, then that's when the law is violated.

To add, of course, at a range where it can be lethal, the RO, etc can chose to refuse service and should based on the competency, including English read and write skills, safe handling etc. But it sounds like they don't- the economy must really be that bad? This Saturday at Centermass, they allowed two buddies with a rented 1911, wearing flipflops (shower shoes) and were speaking what sounded like Arabic and were just nodding at the counter girl. They did not stay too long, which was a relief. Then I got the tourist, date couple next to me that had a 380 and was laughing that they could not hit the target at 7 yards. Taking pictures, etc. That was more alarming.

[saki302]

This thread makes me appreciate Firing Line Burbank and Angeles just a bit more...

-Dave