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  • IrishPirate
    Calguns Addict
    • Aug 2009
    • 6390

    The best way to handle this...

    I was in Sportsman's Warehouse the other day picking up some ammo when I overheard a guy at the counter ask two employees what the law was regarding transportation of ammo with his gun. The first guy said "i have no idea", (which is upsetting enough) and the second guy said "the gun has to be unloaded, and the ammo has to be in a seperate container, it CANNOT be in the container with the gun, but it doesn't need to be locked up".

    Clearly this is FUD, and I thought for a second about chiming in and letting the guy know that you can transport ammo in the same container as an unloaded gun, but then the guy kept going..."you can't have any loaded magazines in the locked container with the gun because then it could become a loaded weapon, and the locked container can't be within your reach, so put it in the back seat and put your ammo in the front seat."

    He was saying this SOOO "matter-of-fact" that I decided it wasn't worth interrupting. Instead i waited for the employee to show the guy where the locks were and then leave, and I approached the guy and apologized for eaves dropping but that I had to set the record straight. I told him he COULD transport ammo in the same container as an unloaded gun, and that the container DID have to be locked, and that was it. He was actually very happy to hear that and thanked me for setting him straight.


    I'm wondering though, is it better to call an employee on their FUD or wait and set the customer straight later? I didn't want to argue with the employee and have him try to pull the "i work in a gun store" card which might convince the customer he was right, but i also didn't want the customer thinking I was some mall ninja who thought he knew more than a gun store employee, which would make him believe the FUD the employee was spilling. I had no way of proving what i was saying was right, and this employee was 100% convinced that what he was saying was the letter of the law. Luckily it worked out for me and the customer this time, but if it happens again, things might not be so lucky...

    Have any of you ever been in that position? What do you find is the best way to handle it so that less FUD is spread? Clearly the employee needs to be set straight, but what's the best way to do that without shoving the PC in his face and saying "see, you're wrong!!"???

    Only better situation I can think of would be to bet the employee any gun in the store to whomever is right, and look it up
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  • #2
    FalconLair
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2012
    • 3964

    sometimes I think alot of these gun store employees haven't taken the time to research something for themselves and are usually just A: repeating something they've heard 100 times before or B: have been instructed by their bosses to err on the side of caution and be in a position to cover their asses and not tell a customer something which may be proven wrong later. Iono you would think being in a gun shop and dealing with X amount of customers a day, many being novice and asking the same questions, that someone would at least take the 2 minutes required to get it right. I think store shop liability is a major factor for these guys doing what they do. If wrong, they don't want it coming back to haunt them.

    I guess if you feel the need to give the guy the proper 411 there is no harm in that but i'm willing to bet the gun store employee will NOT take you up on your gun proposal lol
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    • #3
      alfred1222
      Calguns Addict
      • Jan 2010
      • 7331

      Originally posted by FalconLair
      sometimes I think alot of these gun store employees haven't taken the time to research something for themselves and are usually just A: repeating something they've heard 100 times before or B: have been instructed by their bosses to err on the side of caution and be in a position to cover their asses and not tell a customer something which may be proven wrong later. Iono you would think being in a gun shop and dealing with X amount of customers a day, many being novice and asking the same questions, that someone would at least take the 2 minutes required to get it right. I think store shop liability is a major factor for these guys doing what they do. If wrong, they don't want it coming back to haunt them.

      I guess if you feel the need to give the guy the proper 411 there is no harm in that but i'm willing to bet the gun store employee will NOT take you up on your gun proposal lol

      I agree, i think its best to go set the customer straight and refer him to calguns for his questions as well. Ive attempted to argue with gun shop workers, showed them PC and calguns, and been told that "calguns isnt a good source, we know what we're doing". I just learned to roll my eyes and not shop there anymore. I know im going to catch some flak for this, but i think that the Bay Area gun Vault is one of the few stores that doesnt ACTIVELY spread FUD. OP, i think pulling the guy aside is your best bet.
      Originally posted by Kestryll
      This guy is a complete and total idiot.
      /thread.

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      • #4
        Zartan
        In Memoriam
        • Nov 2010
        • 6269

        Instead i waited for the employee to show the guy where the locks were and then leave, and I approached the guy and apologized for eaves dropping but that I had to set the record straight.
        That's what I would've done. He deserved an appropriate answer to the question he made sure to ask.
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        • #5
          Jeepers
          Veteran Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 3415

          not sure why folks think asking a sales guy at a gun shop for legal advice is the thing to do in the first place ..... they sell guns they are not lawyers, and honestly should NOT give ANY advice , and just say "i am not sure you should check that out yourself with the ATF or CADOJ" just to cover there and the shops arse from possibly giving incorrect and illegal info/advice ...
          Originally posted by Ronald Reagan
          Before I refuse to take your questions, I have an opening statement.

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          • #6
            alfred1222
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2010
            • 7331

            Originally posted by Jeepers
            not sure why folks think asking a sales guy at a gun shop for legal advice is the thing to do in the first place ..... they sell guns they are not lawyers, and honestly should NOT give ANY advice , and just say "i am not sure you should check that out yourself with the ATF or CADOJ" just to cover there and the shops arse from possibly giving incorrect and illegal info/advice ...
            Well think about it this way. if you have a question about your car, you ask a mechanic, assuming because they spend all day working on cars, they must have an answer. The same applies to a lot of people who only casually shoot guns. They dont want to spend their time researching and finding stuff out for themselves, so they just ask the guy behind the gun counter, assuming that because they spend their whole day with guns, they have to know the answer...
            Originally posted by Kestryll
            This guy is a complete and total idiot.
            /thread.

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            • #7
              Jeepers
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 3415

              Originally posted by alfred1222
              Well think about it this way. if you have a question about your car, you ask a mechanic, assuming because they spend all day working on cars, they must have an answer. The same applies to a lot of people who only casually shoot guns. They dont want to spend their time researching and finding stuff out for themselves, so they just ask the guy behind the gun counter, assuming that because they spend their whole day with guns, they have to know the answer...
              sure asking a mechanic whats wrong with your car is fine, but asking him what parts are legal on your car is NOT wise, look at all those illegal stereo systems and way to tall 4x4 on the road made illegal by some "mechanic" ...
              Originally posted by Ronald Reagan
              Before I refuse to take your questions, I have an opening statement.

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              • #8
                Bigtwin
                Veteran Member
                • May 2010
                • 2639

                Originally posted by Jeepers
                sure asking a mechanic whats wrong with your car is fine, but asking him what parts are legal on your car is NOT wise, look at all those illegal stereo systems and way to tall 4x4 on the road made illegal by some "mechanic" ...
                100% true, but step inside a new gun owners shoes...who are they going to ask for advise from?


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                • #9
                  DasBoost
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 1811

                  Originally posted by Bigtwin
                  100% true, but step inside a new gun owners shoes...who are they going to ask for advise from?


                  Sucks doesn't it?!
                  When I went to buy my first gun, I asked the gun shop owner, bought into all the crap, and then found CG and other sources that showed me what was and wasn't legal. I'll say this: As a firearm owner, you cannot get one answer and leave it at "Well I asked so-and-so and he said this... So I'm good and it's settled." There is far more as far as due diligence is concerned than taking one opinion (main word here) and leaving it at that. Forums can be one of the best sources for information; it's all a matter of separating the wheat from the chaff.
                  Originally posted by shakes88
                  I went to drop one duece and I come back to pedo-spiderman, dead cats and ***** ******* tattoos... I love this thread
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                  • #10
                    wjc
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 10877

                    I would have had a talk with the manager and try to inform him of the rule conflict. It's ultimately his responsibility to make sure his employees are provided the correct information.

                    It would also be a good idea to know which PC to site so he could further investigate. Whether he does or not is up to him.
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                    • #11
                      Agent 0range
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 1040

                      Originally posted by DasBoost
                      When I went to buy my first gun, I asked the gun shop owner, bought into all the crap, and then found CG and other sources that showed me what was and wasn't legal. I'll say this: As a firearm owner, you cannot get one answer and leave it at "Well I asked so-and-so and he said this... So I'm good and it's settled." There is far more as far as due diligence is concerned than taking one opinion (main word here) and leaving it at that. Forums can be one of the best sources for information; it's all a matter of separating the wheat from the chaff.
                      This is why I've spent so much time on Calguns. When I first started buying parts for my first AR-15, I was on here day and night, which really irritated my wife. My response to her was "I'm trying to NOT commit a felony and this is the best source of information." She never said another word about it. Now anytime I hear FUD being spread, I always direct people to Calguns. You'd be surprised how thankful people are to hear there is a place to get answers to all their questions. Not to say there isn't any FUD being spread around here, but for the most part, I trust this community!
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                      • #12
                        paul0660
                        In Memoriam
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 15669

                        The best way to handle this...
                        Depends on the situation and your demeanor.

                        The final exam on this is running into an on duty LEO with the incorrect idea in his head. I go over that in my mind frequently.
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                        • #13
                          ERdept
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 4698

                          Sorry, was does "FUD" mean.

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                          • #14
                            timdps
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 3484

                            Originally posted by Jeepers
                            sure asking a mechanic whats wrong with your car is fine, but asking him what parts are legal on your car is NOT wise, look at all those illegal stereo systems and way to tall 4x4 on the road made illegal by some "mechanic" ...

                            OT, but "ilegal stereo systems"?

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                            • #15
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                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 44678

                              Originally posted by ERdept
                              Sorry, was does "FUD" mean.
                              Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt - see wikipedia
                              FUD is generally a strategic attempt to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information.
                              It's not just being wrong, it's knowingly lying.
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