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[Matixten]

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[saki302]

The bottom front sight is real, and the rear sight with the adjustment mark on the peep as well as the block is real.

-Dave

[SanPedroShooter]

You can tell from the pictures. The one with the smoother seams and texture is the real one.

[dieselpower]

I bet they will both function nearly the same and you will never know or see the difference.

Heres a test.
Mount the Sights on the rifle.
Flip the Sights up.
Go outside and throw the rifle up.
Repeat until you see the rifle land on one or both Sights.

Repeat with the other set of Sights.

Now sight the rifle in. Zero it with both sets. Fire a string of 200 rounds. Recheck zero.

You can also slam the rifle into a tree, or onto a brick wall. You will quickly see why some people prefer quality metal BUIS, such as DD, Troy, ARMS, YHM...

That being said, there is nothing wrong with a quality plastic BU sights. For 99% of people and 100% of civilian use they are fine.... and I hate to say this, but a quality set of China clones is too. Yes China does produce some quality stuff... not often, but a broken clock is right twice a day. I have seen these MIC Magpuls and PTS Magpuls. What they lack and what makes them cheaper has little to do with function or ruggedness. The cost savings is in the type of hardened polymer and cost of the bolts. A MagPul PTS sight will hold up to nearly the same level of abuse as a Magpul USA. The real world difference is minimal. I have seen some Sim-players who beat up their Airsofts. You can watch youtubes of them playing. Many of them know what brands to ignore and what brands to buy. Many of them buy Magpul PTS for the few dollar savings over Magpul USA.

Both of yours are fine for what you are planning to do. Since you have a real set and a MIC set, I would mount the real set and save the MIC set for when the real ones break...which may never happen, but you will be prepared for that event.

[SocomM4]

There's a big difference between Magpul PTS and china copies.

"PTS" is a trademark of magpuls training and simulation dept, and are the same price as regular sights. And 99% of the time the clones box will say magpul , and mbus, but not PTS.

Ps its not hard to see blue locktite on the genuine one.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=492545

[dieselpower]

There's a big difference between Magpul PTS and china copies.

"PTS" is a trademark of magpuls training and simulation dept, and are the same price as regular sights. And 99% of the time the clones box will say magpul , and mbus, but not PTS.

Ps its not hard to see blue locktite on the genuine one.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=492545

Yeah I agree...and I think the same factory that makes Magpul PTS also makes the clones...or they share information. Its just too convenient that the magpul clones react to magpuls changes within days. Even before the real deal magpuls are on the shelves, the clones are there.

[Spiggy]

This is not necessarily true, as even PTS is anal about supplying their subcontractors with materials for contract items. And much of that business is dealt between Hong Kong and Taiwan.

I'd be more interested in who manufactures the moulding.


Counterfeits are easy to spot. Some fall apart when you push the hinge pin (easily). I run across them regularly, they never stand up to standards.

[Muscles Glasses]

Last I checked anything labeled "Magpul PTS" was intended for airsoft and anything labeled "Magpul Dynamics" for live firearms. Check your packaging or maybe any markings on the sights.

The sight on the left is indeed the one intended for airsoft use. Notice the difference in the adjustment knob and compare it to this.

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=7880

[Spiggy]

I think the concern is for counterfeited materials, which exist outside of the Magpul and PTS manufactured product.

Though to be fair, the PTS product is virtually the same make, but without the necessary tempered material.

I don't speak for Magpul or PTS, but I do mess with a lot of the stuff enough to know what counterfeited items look like.


Edit!

Matixten,

You can spot a counterfeit with poorly fitted screws and pins. Stolen or knockoff molding can produce seams on the sight. But so can worn molding for the legitimate product. It's trickier for manufacturers to source proper screws and pins, as well as strong leaf springs under the diopter of the rear sight. And as mentioned before, Magpul tends to blue threadlocker their base screw. Likewise, Magpul tends to mark their screws with the Magpul name. PTS items will often look like their live counterparts, but state "PTS" all over them.

Many counterfeits do not use the Magpul name on the item, but instead use a shoddy rendition of the logo. I would say if the sight can be disassembled easily with a small punch by pressing the pins and such. You may have been given a counterfeit.

Please let us know which dealers you purchased from, and which set came from whom, it can help us determine possible answers.

[JeremyKX]

I will confirm what Muscles Glasses said. Magpul PTS is meant for airsoft.

[dieselpower]

Magpul USA is a DOD contractor. By law they can not sell their stuff overseas. Search ITAR. In order to do so they must alter the product. Thats where Magpul PTS comes in. All DOD contractors must do this if they want to sell products in the UK.

Magpul PTS is a Professional Training / Simulation. Its nearly the same as Magpul USA except the plastic used is a formula known to China and Taiwan made by DuPont here in the USA. Its nearly as strong as the Magpul USA stuff, in fact the PTS stuff is the same as any Polymer firearms part manufactured pre-2000.

Magpul Industries had to do major testing of their products down to the formula used to create the polymer. Magpul PTS doesn't. The DuPont USA Polymer used to create PTS gear isn't and doesn't have to meet USA strength tests, so it isn't tested and there is no QA associated with its manufacture to meet QA requirements. Such as batch testing too see if sample 1 is the same as sample 1000000. PTS gear has no certification attached to it. So the Magpul PTS plant in China MUST use the DuPont USA Polymer Magpul Industries told them to use only for contract obligation purposes. That doesn't mean that DuPont USA Polymer is any less of a polymer than others are using, only that the manufacturer in China doesn't have to run QA tests to meet strict USA standards. I know for a fact the standard DuPont USA Polymer is extremely strong stuff when used properly. That is why I would trust any quality MIC gear for some purposes, like stocks, handguards, rail covers, magazine holders. As long as the sample fits properly and functions as normal, I trust it will hold up to civilian use.

I would trust a Magpul PTS MOE or CTR stock over a 1990s era Colt M4 Stock. I would trust a Magpul USA stock over a current unknown manufactures stock, even if it has Colt on the side of it. DuPont Polymers are used in almost every plastic manufacturing company world wide. Plastics are always changing. I trust the newest AR15 Polymer Lower made for New Frontier Armory is stronger than the Bushmaster Polymer Lower made 15 years ago. Their testing proves that.

There are polymers coming from China that are stronger than Magpul USA gear. China is a major manufacturing Country. They have the potential to out manufacture us in every way including quality of product. Yes, they also allow anyone to open a factory and sell crap without fear of reprisal for consumer fraud. I have seen MIC gear break when you shake the box it came in. I also know there is MIC gear in the US Army inventory since that gear meets USA testing standards and certification.

[ERdept]

Just buy the Troy flip rear and the non flip front.

You'll be very happy.

[Jel]

OP, I hope you don't mind me adding to your thread. I think it is relevant and may help others tell the difference between real Magpul BUIS, real Magpul PTS BUIS and the fake versions of both.

Here are some pics of some MBUS that came off of an upper I purchased recently.

I'm leaning heavily towards fake, but I still want to make sure. If they are fakes, I'm thinking that they are copies of the Gen 1 versions. I don't have a real set of Gen 1 or Gen 2 or PTS to compare them to so I'm just going off my own observations as well as a couple hours of research online and reading threads similar to the OP.

I have a buddy that has real Gen 1 and real PTS so I'm hoping to hook up with him sometime and do a side by side comparison like the OP has done.

Here are some things I've noticed right off the bat.

-Front sight pin is plastic
-Plain hex mounting screws without any Magpul embossment
-No adjustment lines on rear
-No blue loctite on mounting screws
-Pins easily pushed side to side
-Lots of play when flipped up
-No PTS anywhere (if these were supposed to be PTS)

[Jel]

Here are a few more pics in the flipped up position.