CA gun law hell

[winnre]

I was driving along today thinking about stupid laws like bullet buttons, ten round mags, flash hiders, etc. Now I am not expert by far but I *think* that more crimes in CA are committed with handguns over rifles. Am I close? So I went with this thought. Then I thought about evil features, like a pistol grip. Well, pistols have a pistol grip. So technically if they were rifle we'd need a bullet button on them. But they have a shorter barrel and no stock.

Which makes me wonder.....

Did anyone ever try for a bullet button on pistols?

[Barabas]

Did anyone ever try for a bullet button on pistols?

Yup. That, an extended barrel and a single shot sled will net you a roster-exempt pistol. Happens every day.

[Josh3239]

Also on the few that have magazines outside the grips like those .22LR GSG5 pistols and such or those AB10/Tec 9 things.

[winnre]

For the stupid things we have seen in this state regarding making guns "safer" I am kinda surprised pistols don't need a BB. next they will be locked in place and a police officer will need to use a key to replace your ammo, once you explain why you need it.

[Capybara]

Are you crazy? Don't give them ideas!

[Merc1138]

I was driving along today thinking about stupid laws like bullet buttons, ten round mags, flash hiders, etc. Now I am not expert by far but I *think* that more crimes in CA are committed with handguns over rifles. Am I close? So I went with this thought. Then I thought about evil features, like a pistol grip. Well, pistols have a pistol grip. So technically if they were rifle we'd need a bullet button on them. But they have a shorter barrel and no stock.

Which makes me wonder.....

Did anyone ever try for a bullet button on pistols?

I'm not sure what you mean "try for a bullet button on pistols". The state didn't come up with the bullet button, it was created due to the need of having a fixed magazine. There are a number of pistols that already require bullet buttons due to handguns having a separate set of AW features(AR and AK pistols, ruger charger, anything with a threaded barrel, anything with a mag that doesn't fit into the grip, etc.).

BBs for handguns just doesn't come up as often because the designs that require them are not very common, and the most common "evil feature" being a threaded barrel is usually pretty easy to deal with and doesn't matter much since we can't have suppressors anyway.

[stix213]

Everyone knows a threaded barrel on a pistol makes it shoot children and puppies at random, same with a rifle without its bullet button unless you can't wrap your thumb around the grip lower than the receiver. Its a blessing we have such proactive lawmakers who are keeping us safe with these AWB laws.

[Solid Foundation]

Now I am not expert by far but I *think* that more crimes in CA are committed with handguns over rifles.

If this is true you know the gun control proponents will tell you that this is *because* of the tighter control around the evil, dangerous, rapid fire, never reloading, shooting around corners assault rifles

[AK all day]

Also makes me wonder is such as an AK with no stock in pistol configuration would be exempt from BB?

[Capybara]

Anyone can objectively look at California Gun Laws and see that they largely amount to state sanctioned, systematic harassment of law abiding gun owners, that is the main purpose of the majority of them. Not safety. Not stopping criminals or people who should not have gun rights. The majority of laws that we all deal with are designed to slowly reduce gun ownership in the state to nobody but the most hard core shooters like us.

If I was a casual shooter or a sheeple who thinks that what celebrities are doing, my sports, video gaming and my partying are more important than my Constitutional Rights, I would have given up my guns years ago. California makes it way too difficult for the casual shooter to even figure out the laws, easier to take the path of least resistance and just opt out.

[Merc1138]

Also makes me wonder is such as an AK with no stock in pistol configuration would be exempt from BB?

No.

A pistol having a magazine outside of the pistol grip(AK, AR, Tec-9, etc.) requires a fixed magazine(I even specifically mentioned this). Check the flow-chart for handguns up at the top of the page.

[Librarian]

Also makes me wonder is such as an AK with no stock in pistol configuration would be exempt from BB?

No. It would be able to accept a detachable magazine someplace other than the pistol grip, which would make it an a/w without the BB.

PC 30515 (a)(4)

(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, "assault weapon" also
means any of the following:

(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor,
forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely
encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon
without burning the bearer's hand, except a slide that encloses the
barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location
outside of the pistol grip.

[SanPedroShooter]

Anyone can objectively look at California Gun Laws and see that they largely amount to state sanctioned, systematic harassment of law abiding gun owners, that is the main purpose of the majority of them. Not safety. Not stopping criminals or people who should not have gun rights. The majority of laws that we all deal with are designed to slowly reduce gun ownership in the state to nobody but the most hard core shooters like us.

If I was a casual shooter or a sheeple who thinks that what celebrities are doing, my sports, video gaming and my partying are more important than my Constitutional Rights, I would have given up my guns years ago. California makes it way too difficult for the casual shooter to even figure out the laws, easier to take the path of least resistance and just opt out.

and yet, I was reading that Californians buy more guns than any other state in the country except maybe Texas... (the numbers are not all inclusive, and they only count NICS checks as far as I know)

Of course I agree with your assessment 100% I think a lot of the guns laws are so flawed and ridiculous because they are compromises. It can be hard to just 'ban' something outright, especially an enumerated constitutional right...

The laws are just loopholes and work arounds.

[stix213]

Also makes me wonder is such as an AK with no stock in pistol configuration would be exempt from BB?

Keep the barrel longer than 16" and OAL more than 26" and you should be legal, but I wouldn't try it.

[Tacit Blue]

I was driving along today thinking about stupid laws like bullet buttons, ten round mags, flash hiders, etc. Now I am not expert by far but I *think* that more crimes in CA are committed with handguns over rifles. Am I close? So I went with this thought. Then I thought about evil features, like a pistol grip. Well, pistols have a pistol grip. So technically if they were rifle we'd need a bullet button on them. But they have a shorter barrel and no stock.

Which makes me wonder.....

Did anyone ever try for a bullet button on pistols?

Well alot of it had to do with the 1997 Bank of America shooting. Assault rifles are only seldom used in crimes, It's actually a waste of money to purchase a 1,500$ AR15 to be used in crime. When its more affordable to get a hi point or Glock for 200-400$ on the street and walk up shoot someone. Then dump the weapon in the river, or ocean whatever etc.

Usually only organized crime or bank robbers use semi automatic rifles in crimes, because they need ' fire power' to keep their targets down. And they don't buy their firearms from Cabela's or Big5 lol, were talking about arms trades in Mexico and overseas, where it's cheaper to purchase these types of weapons.(Yes some of them do convert to FA illegally) For instance a PKM machine gun in Iraq cost 500$, legally in the U.S. it would cost 30-40k to own it. Otherwise other black markets could sell them for thousands outside of a active war zone.

The main agenda isn't to stop criminals from obtaining these items, but to discourage the law abiding citizen from using/obtaining semi-automatic rifles. The Brady campaign and anti-gun lobbyist are trying to push their own agenda through legislation, which historically according to our laws has worked. The California government's stance towards the 2nd amendment is not only oppressive, its in my opinion illegal.....