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  • #16
    bwiese
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Oct 2005
    • 27621

    Many folks owned hicap mags before 1/1/2000 and continue to own & use them legally.

    Further acquisition or transfer post-1/1/2000 is the problem.

    Originally posted by milsurpshooter
    look YOU CAN FIND THEM IN A BOX OF YOUR DADS STUFF PERFECTLY LEGAL.
    Uh, no, that could well be couched as an illegal transfer.

    Hard to prove, though - but most people indeed talk themselves into jail, too.

    I honestly think this thread should not further discuss 'evasive' methods that are in the style of "illegal, but prove it" as we are not well-served by such discussions.

    There are indeed 'compliant' methods that have been discussed awhile back that will require some setup/organization, and it will take time. So let's hold off for now Until The Bell Rings.

    I will again add that fixed mag setup on OLLs must be 10rds or less anyway - seems like people may be forgetting this, and triggering one of the alternate definitions of generic AWs.
    Last edited by bwiese; 12-12-2007, 2:23 PM.

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    • #17
      supersonic
      Calguns Addict
      • May 2007
      • 5885

      Originally posted by bwiese
      .

      I honestly think this thread should not further discuss 'evasive' methods that are in the style of "illegal, but prove it" as we are not well-served by such discussions.
      +100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      • #18
        Mize
        Member
        • Nov 2006
        • 114

        People who "find" hicap mags, just might "find" themselves in prison. If YOU (not your dad) didn't own them before the ban, then YOU cannot own them now. Join the NRA, stay informed, and buy a lot of 10 round mags until, and if things change.

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        • #19
          AKman
          Senior Member
          • May 2007
          • 889

          Originally posted by milsurpshooter
          plus no law against finding them. so there could be a box full of them in your garage rite now. you'll never know til you look.
          I looked in my garage and sure enough I found a box full of hicap mags. Before the law was passed I bought several mags for every applicable firearm I owned or thought I might buy in the future.
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          • #20
            5968
            Veteran Member
            • Nov 2006
            • 3557

            Originally posted by 5150-417
            so how do you buy them and own them legally, if you didn't own any before 2000?
            Regular guys don't...
            sigpicIf you loan someone twenty dollars and never see them again, it was probably worth it.
            Originally posted by hoffmang
            NFA is a long ways off as well it should be. Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex...-Gene

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            • #21
              What Just Happened?
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2007
              • 2504

              Well, you can move out of CA. Set up residence somewhere else. Buy all the stuff you want and then after a couple years move back to CA. I'm pretty sure that's legal.

              I wish the standard capacity magazines would become legal again. I find myself outgunned at steel shoots where I'm competing with a guy who owns 2 33 round mags for his GLOCK 17 and I'm stuck with 10 rounders.

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              • #22
                supersonic
                Calguns Addict
                • May 2007
                • 5885

                Originally posted by AKman
                I looked in my garage and sure enough I found a box full of hicap mags. Before the law was passed I bought several mags for every applicable firearm I owned or thought I might buy in the future.
                Same Same!!!

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                • #23
                  Dilinger23
                  Member
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 132

                  I dont understand ....hi cap mag...10 round mag dont make the gun less dangerous...i also want to own a hi cap mag to have a full capability of the firearm.

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                  • #24
                    DedEye
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 8655

                    Just be patient!
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                    • #25
                      Dilinger23
                      Member
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 132

                      Thanks....DedEye...by the way nice Avatar...

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                      • #26
                        8200rpm
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 1145

                        Originally posted by Dilinger23
                        I dont understand ....hi cap mag...10 round mag dont make the gun less dangerous...i also want to own a hi cap mag to have a full capability of the firearm.
                        These laws were passed by the people of this state to keep HIGH capacity ammunition feeding devices out of the hands of criminals.

                        There is absolutely no reason for a normal person to own a clip holding more than 10 bullets.

                        These devices allow criminals to fire indiscriminately from the hip while in a moving vehicle while shooting cops, children, and the children of cops, and children who want to be cops. Why would you any sane person want a tool of destruction? Do you people maim animals for fun, light stuff on fire for entertainment, and wet your beds?

                        More children die from the 11th round fired from a gun without reloading than the first ten rounds combined! You guntards are doing the world a major disservice and an egregious injustice with your idiotic, juvenile hobby.

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                        • #27
                          retired
                          Administrator
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 9409

                          What Just Happened, the following penal code section: 12020 (a) (2) might cause some problems with that idea. It doesn't make a difference how long you live out of state.

                          (2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.
                          The bolding is mine. Bringing a large capacity magazine into this state from another state, would be importing. It doesn't just refer to a business bringing it in.

                          I'll give a different example on another part of that section. Per the atty. general's office, if you were to take a XD 40cal mag and bend the lips so it will accept 9mm rounds, you have now "manufactured" an illegal mag. That is because the mag will now hold 12 rounds of 9mm.

                          It is legal in other states, because I know of others on the net who have said they have done it. It is not legal here tho.

                          Now, I only called the AG because someone on another site was wondering if they could do it. I knew it; just wanted to confirm it.

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                          • #28
                            dondo
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 1887

                            Originally posted by 8200rpm
                            Do you people maim animals for fun, light stuff on fire for entertainment, and wet your beds?
                            Guilty on all three counts.

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                            • #29
                              hoffmang
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 18448

                              Originally posted by What Just Happened?
                              Well, you can move out of CA. Set up residence somewhere else. Buy all the stuff you want and then after a couple years move back to CA. I'm pretty sure that's legal.

                              I wish the standard capacity magazines would become legal again. I find myself outgunned at steel shoots where I'm competing with a guy who owns 2 33 round mags for his GLOCK 17 and I'm stuck with 10 rounders.
                              That is not legal.

                              There are options and there will be more options soon, but please don't speculate or spread false legal information.

                              You may only import large-capacity magazines that you owned in California before 2000.

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