Peeved...

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

Had a noob seller today sell his item to another seller and close the thread after I'd posted "I'll take it" first and PM'd him. No explanation, not even the courtesy of telling me he'd sold the item to someone else. I had to look at his thread and see that it was closed.

He's now on my "do not do business with" and ignore list. Screw him and sellers like him.

[biogenic]

Had a noob seller today sell his item to another seller and close the thread after I'd posted "I'll take it" first and PM'd him. No explanation, not even the courtesy of telling me he'd sold the item to someone else. I had to look at his thread and see that it was closed.

He's now on my "do not do business with" and ignore list. Screw him and sellers like him.

Did you give give him a negative feedback?

[FourLoko]

Did you give give him a negative feedback?

I don't think that's what negative feedback is for...

[Fate]

Sure it is. If someone plays unfairly, the community needs to know.

[Ed_Hazard]

Did you give give him a negative feedback?

according to the Marketplace rules, since you are not out money/goods, negative feedback does not apply.

17) iTrader ratings.
Negative feedback should be reserved for transactions where one party has lost either money or goods, or the delivered product is substantially different than advertised. Positive feedback is appropriate for a transaction with good communications between they parties involved and that completes in a timely manner. Neutral feedback is for everything else, including transactions which are not completed. Use the comment section to describe why you gave the rating you did. Retaliatory feedback is not tolerated and should be reported to a moderator. See Rule #16 regarding Marketplace Disputes.



Can only leave neutral feedback

[!@#$]

according to the Marketplace rules, since you are not out money/goods, negative feedback does not apply.

17) iTrader ratings.
Negative feedback should be reserved for transactions where one party has lost either money or goods, or the delivered product is substantially different than advertised. Positive feedback is appropriate for a transaction with good communications between they parties involved and that completes in a timely manner. Neutral feedback is for everything else, including transactions which are not completed. Use the comment section to describe why you gave the rating you did. Retaliatory feedback is not tolerated and should be reported to a moderator. See Rule #16 regarding Marketplace Disputes.



Can only leave neutral feedback

and if he did not have a confirmed deal it should not even be neutral feedback.

being the first one posting "i will take it" does not mean you have a deal.

[Ed_Hazard]

I am pretty ticked @ sellers which have no integrity. This should be a lesson for me not to ever deal with people with 0 feedback.

I emailed on an ad today, the seller called me back and after a short phone conversation we agreed to meet in Vacaville to complete the transaction. Called the seller twice to reconfirm and he did not even had the courtesy to get back to me. Found out the gun was sold and thread closed.

Sounds like a deal was struck to me...

[dieselpower]

Sounds like a deal was struck to me...

No, you have one persons assertion a deal was struck. You only have one side of the story and no way to independently confirm that claim.

no feedback can be left by this OP.

[!@#$]

Sounds like a deal was struck to me...

i was talking about Grumpyoldretiredcop post. i assumed you were also from the quotes.

clearly the OP had a deal so that guy needs negative feedback.

[-hanko]

I don't think that's what negative feedback is for...

But that's BS

Sure it is. If someone plays unfairly, the community needs to know.

Absolutely

according to the Marketplace rules, since you are not out money/goods, negative feedback does not apply.

17) iTrader ratings.
Negative feedback should be reserved for transactions where one party has lost either money or goods, or the delivered product is substantially different than advertised. Positive feedback is appropriate for a transaction with good communications between they parties involved and that completes in a timely manner. Neutral feedback is for everything else, including transactions which are not completed. Use the comment section to describe why you gave the rating you did. Retaliatory feedback is not tolerated and should be reported to a moderator. See Rule #16 regarding Marketplace Disputes.

Can only leave neutral feedback

Calguns is notable in that it's the only forum I'm aware of with such a loose/goofy interpretation of negative feedback. Welcome to CA, the home of situational ethics.

and if he did not have a confirmed deal it should not even be neutral feedback.

being the first one posting "i will take it" does not mean you have a deal.

Read the op...I emailed on an ad today, the seller called me back and after a short phone conversation we agreed to meet in Vacaville to complete the transaction.
On any other board on the web, that's a deal. Negative feedback is needed, subject to the seller's side of the story. Seller hasn't responded. Negative feedback is called for.

-hanko

[Merc1138]

On any other board on the web, that's a deal. Negative feedback is needed, subject to the seller's side of the story. Seller hasn't responded. Negative feedback is called for.

-hanko

And all the seller has to do is say "no we didn't", and then it becomes the seller's word vs. the OP's with no way to confirm anything since it wasn't handled via PMs that a forum admin could verify(unless the OP recorded the phone conversation, then that leads to a separate issue entirely).

[r3dn3ck]

just subbed neg this morning for a flake... this flake had 7 positives and no negatives. Don't rely just on itrader... it's plain ol integrity. I think that people that get negative iTrader should be getting banned from the site for some period of time that increases toward forever each time they get a negative.... that'd encourage some damned ethics.

A deal is a deal. For those that don't understand, a deal is a DEAL. Your word is your bond and if you can't live up to your word, even when it sucks, then you're no man and unwelcome here near as I can tell. Sub that negative and call his arse out.

[-hanko]

And all the seller has to do is say "no we didn't", and then it becomes the seller's word vs. the OP's with no way to confirm anything since it wasn't handled via PMs that a forum admin could verify(unless the OP recorded the phone conversation, then that leads to a separate issue entirely).

Great point.

Why don't we have a "Feedback" forum like arfcom or a "Reviews" forum like the FAL Files? Either side can post their story.

I've dealt on both forums for a very long time. Seller needs to be clear as to what constitutes a done deal. Typically, it's first pm or email without conditions. I'll always get an address and phone number, and I want written confirmation of the deal whether I'm selling or buying. Knock wood, I've never been burned.

I ask for first email if I'm selling, as I can access email from my phone much easier than I can find a PM. If the other person backs out, I will post appropriate feedback, and i'll post it quickly.

Used to be here that a flake was banned...Shopkeep got it (iirc) for cancelling a done deal when he had a better bid. That doesn't seem to happen anymore, and it makes dealing on Calguns less desirable. In op's case, seller should have been contacted by a moderator for his side of the story. OP should have outed seller on the original post.

To say negative fb is not called for unless money is lost is nonsense, unless gasoline is now free in the north bay area. It also suggests that money is more important than ethical conduct.

Sorry for the wandering ramble, but rules on the FS section here need an overhaul, imo.

Good weekend to all

-hanko

[eviioiive]

You are allowed to leave negative feedback.

false- you could even take the day off from work to meet a seller and have him not show up, leave neg feedback, and the seller can have it removed...

[-hanko]

false- you could even take the day off from work to meet a seller and have him not show up, leave neg feedback, and the seller can have it removed...

my point, exactly