Attempted illegal purchase

[drifter2be]

Someone not wanting to release their personal information, and not fully understanding C&R qualifications, is not exactly "suspicious activity"

It just struck me as really suspicious. Looking into it more I found that FTF for C&R there is no required paperwork, just every time I have done one in the past I gave the seller a signed statement that I was not prohibited from purchasing a firearm along with a copy of my DL for proof of age and CA residency, figured it was standard procedure.

Guess I know better now and life moves on.

Didn't even think that he could be an ATF plant, thats a little too for me.

[joepamjohn]

What's the big deal? There have been many c&r guns on this very forum that have been modified from their original configuration. Like a 1903 sported rifle.

[Rob454]

Should I report the phone number to BATFE? Guy wanted to buy my sporterized Mosin Nagant, which isn't C&R eligible due to the ATI stock, as a C&R. Told him if he could find an original stock it could be swapped and sold that way, then he told me that he WOULD NOT give me a copy of his DL or sign a statement that he is not ineligible from owning a firearm. Claimed he didn't want the government to know what he had when they do the "Great Gun Confiscation"

I don't have any of the guy's personal info, aside from his phone number and first name. Should I contact BATFE or just let it go?

i get those buyers sometimes who want to do the " its too hard/inconvenient to do the paperwork so lets just skip it". I don't even bother responding to those emails. i make it clear in emails I will not do a illegal sale so don't ask.
As for taking it further than that I never had to. Move on the buyer is a moron.

[morfeeis]

That is all, hell in another state this would have been a normal deal.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Should I report the phone number to BATFE?

BATFE is a Federal agency. They aren't really interested in investigating possible violations of California law.

[Scout2Diesel]

The rifle is over 50yrs old and legal to transfer until 2014 in California. It would not be legal to ship out of state as a C&R.

I would maybe make a note but not want to keep a CDL copy. If their identity was stolen due to your copy being lost...

[dieselpower]

DoJ Agent Smith- So we have a report you are trying to buy firearms without the proper CA documentation, do you have anything to say about that?

The Guy- Well sorta, I thought it was legal, then the guy said something about killing a hiker with the rifle while guarding his pot farm, so I backed out of the deal. Do you have any other questions for me?

[cdtx2001]

The rifle is over 50yrs old and legal to transfer until 2014 in California. It would not be legal to ship out of state as a C&R.

I would maybe make a note but not want to keep a CDL copy. If their identity was stolen due to your copy being lost...

This is what I thought is legal too. Where in the CA penal code does it say that a firearm has to be in its original configuration to be considered C&R? Where does it say that federally too?

[CSACANNONEER]

I read this thread yesterday and again this morning and I still can't figure out where the "attempted illegal purchase" was? It looks like someone has decided that the
Federal definition of C&R firearms supercedes California's definition when it comes to transfering long guns in California. It also appears that someone did not want to give a complete stranger a copy of his ID or sign some bogus statement that is not required under any laws. It looks to me like there were two different people who wanted to make a deal but were unable to agree on the conditions of the deal. Neither one did or tried to do anything illegal at all. It was simply a matter of one person being a little paranoid and the other person not wanting to give up a bunch of personal information to a complete stranger. ID theft is bigger than ever!

[Oceanbob]

The guy sounds perfectly normal to me and I would have done the deal.

Just a few hours away in Arizona several AR/AK/Handgun deals will be completed in the nearest McDonalds Parking lot. Over a handshake.

[JagerDog]

I had no idea that changing a stock could change C&R status. Details please?

[2shotjoe]

I had no idea that changing a stock could change C&R status. Details please?

If its not original then its considered like a new rifle.

I am thinking this guy thought he was buying a C&R so he can cash and carry.

[!@#$]

If its not original then its considered like a new rifle.

I am thinking this guy thought he was buying a C&R so he can cash and carry.

if it is 50 years old it can still be sold FTF with no ffl transfer in california.

[Noonanda]

if it is 50 years old it can still be sold FTF with no ffl transfer in california.

But for C&R purposes it is no longer qualified as a C&R firearm Per BATFE

[!@#$]

But for C&R purposes it is no longer qualified as a C&R firearm Per BATFE

yes it is not C&R for the feds.

for california it's still fine for a ftf cash sale.