Concealed Carry Video

[JohnP]

This may be a repost of something everybody else saw a year ago, but I just watched it and am interested in hearing what other gun owners and concealed carry permit holders think.

The video is clearly made by anti's. What do you all think of their conclusions?

BTW, before everybody starts flaming me, i am not saying i agree with the video...but i still thought it was interesting.

[Yugo]

anti or not if you have no training this is pretty accurate.

[Ubermcoupe]

[Rocket Man]

^ this!!!!!
Be the grey man, don't let people know when you CCW.

[Ergo the Qualmed]

I think I read somewhere that when Giffords got shot, there were armed CCW holders in the crowd. They did nothing/froze. If you have it for life threatening situations, wouldn't that qualify? Anyway, i just got an AZ CCW and will start exercising my right to carry (in AZ and NV). Just got me thinking what i'd do in some of these situations

From what i'd heard, the nearest CCW fellow was inside the store nearby, ran outside when the shooting happened, but did not draw his weapon because by that time Loughner was being struggled with.

And all this video seems to illustrate is that LTC + long shirt is bad, and that it doesn't matter anyway when the assailant knows who to target first XD

[call-in]

And the assailant is a firearms instructor and was specifically targeting the subject.

[safewaysecurity]

This has been posted many times and the Violence Policy Center loves this hit piece so let me demonstrate what absolute GARBAGE this video is.

Everyone in the video has never even touched a real firearm.

They are all wearing these ridiculous sweatshirts that make it damn near impossible to draw your weapon.

Also I believe the holster they gave them were level 2 holsters. A person carrying concealed would have a holster with no retention.

Most active shooter scenarios do NOT involve 2 highly trained swat officers who have been told where the person with the gun is located ( since they seat the person in the same place everytime)

In conclusion this video is total BS and untrained permit holders have repeatedly defended themselves successfully against even more untrained criminals and crazed gunman. I'm not saying you shouldn't get training but this idea that if you don't have any training you will automatically have no idea how to draw a gun and hit what you want to **** is ridiculous.

[njineermike]

And the assailant is a firearms instructor and was specifically targeting the subject.

He also knew exactly where the CC was going to be sitting, the CC had a weapon and holster they were unfamiliar with, had been issued a baggy shirt on purpose, and there was a second gunman who also knew who the CC was. This was a classic ambush in an attempt to show how innefective a CC is, but I can point to real life security video footage of CC'ers defending from assailants, so the point is moot.

As for the Giffords issue, the carriers didn't shoot anybody, but the anti's were upset that they COULD have shot somebody, even though they didn't. Some people can;t be pleased no matter what happens.

[CenterX]

This has been posted many times and the Violence Policy Center loves this hit piece so let me demonstrate what absolute GARBAGE this video is.

Everyone in the video has never even touched a real firearm.

They are all wearing these ridiculous sweatshirts that make it damn near impossible to draw your weapon.

Also I believe the holster they gave them were level 2 holsters. A person carrying concealed would have a holster with no retention.

Most active shooter scenarios do NOT involve 2 highly trained swat officers who have been told where the person with the gun is located ( since they seat the person in the same place everytime)

In conclusion this video is total BS and untrained permit holders have repeatedly defended themselves successfully against even more untrained criminals and crazed gunman. I'm not saying you shouldn't get training but this idea that if you don't have any training you will automatically have no idea how to draw a gun and hit what you want to **** is ridiculous.

Your statement which is now in bold is pure crap. Just like the video.
This is a set-up video to sway the ill informed and inflame the ignorant and the emotional of both sides of gun ownership.

Propaganda is something to be aware of and observe - that's all it should account for. Sad that it gets so much attention.

[sl4ck3r]

repostasaraus rex.

[safewaysecurity]

Your statement which is now in bold is pure crap. Just like the video.
This is a set-up video to sway the ill informed and inflame the ignorant and the emotional of both sides of gun ownership.

Propaganda is something to be aware of and observe - that's all it should account for. Sad that it gets so much attention.

How many people do you know that carry concealed with a level II holster? 95% of concealed carry holsters I have seen have no retention. And by no retention I mean enough to hold the gun if you flip the holster upside-down but not enough if you held it upside down and gave it a little tap.

[call-in]

I for one think the report was spot on, just because someone titled it that way when they posted it on youtube doesn't make the rest of the story false.

Some of the points of the video:

• Even police are having difficulties handling a gun and a holster if they don't stay in practice.
• Fine motor skills goes out the window in real life scenarios.
• Training is necessary to hone reaction times and build up muscle memory.
• If you want a gun for self defense, you have to train under stress.
• Shooting skills are perishable without ongoing training.
• Run if you have the option. (First rule of being in a gunfight, don't be in one.)
• You are legally responsible for every bullet you shoot.

[locosway]

anti or not if you have no training this is pretty accurate.

Not quite. The person attacking is trained gun fighter, and focuses in on the person who is carrying concealed. The person who is carrying concealed is given oversized thick gloves, a tight shirt, and a holster with a retention system they aren't familiar with.

Overall all this does is show that someone can make a biased video, nothing more.

[locosway]

I think I read somewhere that when Giffords got shot, there were armed CCW holders in the crowd. They did nothing/froze. If you have it for life threatening situations, wouldn't that qualify? Anyway, i just got an AZ CCW and will start exercising my right to carry (in AZ and NV). Just got me thinking what i'd do in some of these situations

Without being there it's hard to know what went through their heads. Did they have a clean background to take a shot? Not likely given how many people were there. Just because you have a firearm on you, doesn't mean you must or even should engage an active shooter. Every situation is different, and if multiple people who're carrying guns didn't even take them out, maybe there was a reason.

[RP1911]

If I remember correctly in the Gifford's case, the LTC guy came oput saw the struggle, reached and took the safety off the gun. But did not engage. The media focused on the fact that he had taken his safety off. It was in one of his first interviews.

Sometimes its not what you do but what you say that gets more air/talk time.