Question about C&R and off-roster handguns

[Aspec5vz]

It's my understanding that an off-roster pistol is exempt from the roster if it's classified as C&R (50 years or older) and can therefor be shipped from another state to an FFL correct?

There is an off-roster handgun in Florida I would like to buy that was made in 1962; in 2012 it will be considered C&R. My question is: at what point does that handgun become eligible for me to buy? Can I buy it Jan. 1st 2012 or do I need to find what month it was built in then buy it that month in 2012?

Hope that makes sense...

[ke6guj]

basically, it doesn't automatically turn C&R until 12-31-12, 50-years from the end for 1962. But if you can narrow down the born-on date to an earlier month/date, then it would become C&R on that date in 2012. But if you can't pinpoint a date, then you have to assume it was made on new year's eve 1962.

[Aspec5vz]

Not really what I wanted to hear but nothing is ever easy in CA is it?

If I could pinpoint the date of manufacture would I need to provide some sort of proof that the handgun is indeed C&R to an FFL?

[lorax3]

Most FFL's will want some sort of proof as a CYA before transferring something as roster exempt to you if it's not stamped with a year or well known. Do not know enough about the DROS system specifics, but I do not think "year manufactured" is a required field, I'd guess they will just mark it roster exempt > C&R and keep something on file that notes the specific day if that has to be the case.

[pingpong]

If the handgun is classified as a C&R, it does not need to be on the roster, regardless of what year the gun was manufactured in. It's only for long guns where you have to worry about the year.

CA PC12132g

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/4/2/1.3/s12132

[pingpong]

Heres an old thread with the same question

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=288602

[lorax3]

If the handgun is classified as a C&R, it does not need to be on the roster, regardless of what year the gun was manufactured in.

This is correct, however in the OP he notes it will be "C&R" only by virtue of age. So he would need to know the age as from the OP there is no indication its on the federal C&R list.

[Aspec5vz]

Hm interesting...thanks for the link! Now I have to look for that federal list of handguns classified as C&R.

[pingpong]

This is correct, however in the OP he notes it will be "C&R" only by virtue of age. So he would need to know the age as from the OP there is no indication its on the federal C&R list.

IIRC that only applies to long-guns. In CA handguns still need to be explicitly on the federal C&R list in order to be exempt from the Roster, regardless of age.

I may be wrong on that, so you may want to double-check, but I'm fairly certain that's the case with handguns.

On second thought, maybe I'm wrong. Disregard what I've said.

On third thought, I probably am wrong.

[Aspec5vz]

Yea I didn't think that was the case but then I'm the one asking questions lol.

Found the list; the Walther P5 isn't on it

[Mssr. Eleganté]

IIRC that only applies to long-guns. In CA handguns still need to be explicitly on the federal C&R list in order to be exempt from the Roster, regardless of age.

I may be wrong on that, so you may want to double-check, but I'm fairly certain that's the case with handguns.

On second thought, maybe I'm wrong. Disregard what I've said.

On third thought, I probably am wrong.

You are correct about being wrong.

[pingpong]

You are correct about being wrong.

On the bright side, me being wrong means it's easier for the OP to get what he wants .

[Quiet]

In CA handguns still need to be explicitly on the federal C&R list in order to be exempt from the Roster, regardless of age.

Penal Code 12132
This chapter shall not apply to any of the following:
(g) The sale, loan, or transfer of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person listed as a curio or relic, as defined in Section 178.11 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

27 CFR 178.11
Curios or relics.
Firearms which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:
(a) Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof;
(b) Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and
(c) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector’s items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less.