Rules of a Gunfight

[haole_50]

Just sounds like the military, KILL 'EM ALL, Let God sort it out.

[Hopalong]

A little too much chest pounding on both sides for my liking.

Some things are better left unsaid.

I think the rhetoric mellows over time with maturity, seasoning, and discretion

On both sides

Interaction should be based on mutual respect.

I am not a LEO and have never walked in their shoes

If they need a "plan to kill everyone they meet", to keep their edge

Fine. But I think it's counterproductive to broadcast it.

Maybe, more on the lines of "serve and protect" would be more helpful

Keep those other secrets "in house"

[coyotebait]

Wow, this thread sure went to crap. There's alot of people here that just don't understand the rules I guess.

[dalriaden]

So if I follow this advice and have the mindset of a warrior, I would take the steps necessary to protect my life from every person I meet. This would include the police. I would react to aggression with aggression.

Didn't the a California DA just say you had the right to act in self-defense against LEO in situations such as what happened in Fullerton?

Now we all know that the police are aggressive. That is a given. It should also be agreed that if a cop has an encounter with an aggressive person, said cop will escalate the situation, often by calling for backup or going for some type of weapon, be it a shotgun, stun gun, baton, or side arm. No matter which route the officer takes, your life is not getting any safer.

You are going to be hurt, and possibly killed unless you submit and admit you are a "Sheep".

If you were a "Sheepdog" you would defend yourself. If you are a "Sheep", you will submit. I say it this way because the police would never submit, but instead would "Fight to the last breath". They are "Sheepdogs". Yes?

If you are in the wrong, submitting has nothing to do with being a sheep.

Following this natural progression, the sheepdog citizen who does not trust anyone, and has formulated a battle plan to kill everyone he meets decides his life is in danger and draws his gun. Now the police are justified in giving him lead poisioning. If the citizen manages to get off a few shots and kills or injures a police officer, it is a tragedy. Gun control advocates go crazy and demand stricter rules and take away more rights.

The acts of a "Sheepdog", who acted in direct relation to the perceived threat from people he could not trust, caused the rest of the sheepdogs to lose more of their ability to exist.

If the average Sheepdog citizen made the judgement call to draw his gun and not every case of shooting at the police ends up in death.Plus there will always be sheep dogs, there will always be someone willing to fight for what they believe to be right and just, you may be able to legislate weapons but you cannot legislate a mindset.

Vang Khang, grabbed his shotgun from a closet, knelt and fired a warning shot through his doorway as he heard footsteps coming up the stairs. He let loose with two more blasts. Twenty-two bullets were fired back at him, by the family's count.

Then things suddenly became clear.

"It's the police! Police!" his sons yelled.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...#ixzz1cStXn5dr

This is of course extreme, and I certainly do not recommend that anyone act in an aggressive or threatening manner towards an officer. I am only trying to point out that this mindset is not intended to be used by citizens, and it is one more way that police are set above those they "protect".

I don't get how the mindset is not intended to be used by citizens. Its a mindset, its how you read people, what do you watch on people? As someone else pointed out watch their hands. That's part of your sheep dog mindset, and a lesson you learn quick in Iraq. One minute they're holding a cellphone the next its a hand grenade. This can be done by everyone and has nothing to do with the police being above anyone.

Saying that we are lucky that we have people with this mindset to protect us is insulting. You would shoot us down if we dared to share your mindset or mimic your actions.

I am sick of this.

Again, its a mindset. it has nothing to do with being a belligerent idiot, that thinks because he broke the laws he has the right to defend himself from repercussion. No one is going to get shot for a mindset, people get shot for actions. If you're not leo don't mimic leo actions. If leo are maliciously assaulting you, its on record that you have the right to defend yourself, but that doesn't mean you deliberately seek confrontation. Lastly, slow is smooth and smooth is fast, and violence of action is key in any violent confrontation.

[Never Convicted]

[5thgen4runner]

So if I follow this advice and have the mindset of a warrior, I would take the steps necessary to protect my life from every person I meet. This would include the police. I would react to aggression with aggression.

Am I right so far?

Now we all know that the police are aggressive. That is a given. It should also be agreed that if a cop has an encounter with an aggressive person, said cop will escalate the situation, often by calling for backup or going for some type of weapon, be it a shotgun, stun gun, baton, or side arm. No matter which route the officer takes, your life is not getting any safer.

You are going to be hurt, and possibley killed unless you submit and admit you are a "Sheep".

If you were a "Sheepdog" you would defend yourself. If you are a "Sheep", you will submit. I say it this way because the police would never submit, but instead would "Fight to the last breath". They are "Sheepdogs". Yes?

Following this natural progression, the sheepdog citizen who does not trust anyone, and has formulated a battle plan to kill everyone he meets decides his life is in danger and draws his gun. Now the police are justified in giving him lead poisioning. If the citizen manages to get off a few shots and kills or injures a police officer, it is a tragedy. Gun control advocates go crazy and demand stricter rules and take away more rights.

The acts of a "Sheepdog", who acted in direct relation to the percieved threat from people he could not trust, caused the rest of the sheepdogs to lose more of their ability to exist.


This is of course extreme, and I certainly do not recommend that anyone act in an aggressive or threatening manner towards an officer. I am only trying to point out that this mindset is not intended to be used by citizens, and it is one more way that police are set above those they "protect".

Saying that we are lucky that we have people with this mindset to protect us is insulting. You would shoot us down if we dared to share your mindset or mimic your actions.

I am sick of this.

Yes

[morfeeis]

Be Polite. Be professional. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet

In God we trust. everyone else keep your hands where we can see them.

Two of my favorites!

[SVT-40]

So if I follow this advice and have the mindset of a warrior, I would take the steps necessary to protect my life from every person I meet. This would include the police. I would react to aggression with aggression.

Am I right so far?

Now we all know that the police are aggressive. That is a given. It should also be agreed that if a cop has an encounter with an aggressive person, said cop will escalate the situation, often by calling for backup or going for some type of weapon, be it a shotgun, stun gun, baton, or side arm. No matter which route the officer takes, your life is not getting any safer.

You are going to be hurt, and possibley killed unless you submit and admit you are a "Sheep".

If you were a "Sheepdog" you would defend yourself. If you are a "Sheep", you will submit. I say it this way because the police would never submit, but instead would "Fight to the last breath". They are "Sheepdogs". Yes?

Following this natural progression, the sheepdog citizen who does not trust anyone, and has formulated a battle plan to kill everyone he meets decides his life is in danger and draws his gun. Now the police are justified in giving him lead poisioning. If the citizen manages to get off a few shots and kills or injures a police officer, it is a tragedy. Gun control advocates go crazy and demand stricter rules and take away more rights.

The acts of a "Sheepdog", who acted in direct relation to the percieved threat from people he could not trust, caused the rest of the sheepdogs to lose more of their ability to exist.


This is of course extreme, and I certainly do not recommend that anyone act in an aggressive or threatening manner towards an officer. I am only trying to point out that this mindset is not intended to be used by citizens, and it is one more way that police are set above those they "protect".

Saying that we are lucky that we have people with this mindset to protect us is insulting. You would shoot us down if we dared to share your mindset or mimic your actions.

I am sick of this.

You also apparently lack the basics of common sense to realize the entire power point was related to having a winning mindset if involved in a shooting situation......


Don't take everything as a personal attack, because it's not.

In fact if you take the same principals and apply them to defending yourself or your home from real criminals you might get some use out of them. Instead of trying to make the police your enemy.

[Molby242]

LEO or not, everyone should develop the warrior mindset. Adopting that way of life doesn't mean you will distrust or lose faith in humanity, it's so that you don't get blindsided and let THIS (see video below) happen to you.

No one says you can't be a sheepdog when confronted with another sheepdog (you vs. cop). But part of the warrior mindset is knowing when to fight and when to run. There's a time and a place, and if you're fighting with police and you're not in a courtroom, it's neither the time nor the place...

[Bert Gamble]

You also apparently lack the basics of common sense to realize the entire power point was related to having a winning mindset if involved in a shooting situation......


Don't take everything as a personal attack, because it's not.

In fact if you take the same principals and apply them to defending yourself or your home from real criminals you might get some use out of them. Instead of trying to make the police your enemy.

So you are telling me in one breath that I lack the common sense to understand a power point, and in the next, you say not to take everything as a personal attack. Talk about conflicting instructions officer. Hope you are better with the whole "don't move / get on the ground" thing. If not, that warrior mindset will come in real handy.

This mess began because I do not believe that the average citizen should make a plan to kill everyone they meet. Even you must admit that you are not in a gunfight with everyone you come in contact with. I can see from your attitude why you might need to prepare for that though.

In my common sense deficient mind, I can't make the connection to the powerpoint and a gunfight. I took, and still take the slide to mean exactly what it says.

Then it was the "warriors" who started saying how only the sheep think that way and I tried, albeit in vain to illistrate how ubsurd that notion was by linking it to a police encounter. I am thinking that there are some out there that actually believe I am serious about acting that way.

If this is all that it takes to make the police my enemy, they were not really my friends to begin with.

[SVT-40]

So you are telling me in one breath that I lack the common sense to understand a power point, and in the next, you say not to take everything as a personal attack. Talk about conflicting instructions officer. Hope you are better with the whole "don't move / get on the ground" thing. If not, that warrior mindset will come in real handy.

Apparently you take the power point as some kind of personal insult when it's not....Hence the comment about regarding "common sense"

This mess began because I do not believe that the average citizen should make a plan to kill everyone they meet. Even you must admit that you are not in a gunfight with everyone you come in contact with. I can see from your attitude why you might need to prepare for that though.

Again it's not a literal plan... It's about not being complacent. And planning for situations which you may encounter.

In my common sense deficient mind, I can't make the connection to the powerpoint and a gunfight. I took, and still take the slide to mean exactly what it says.

Just because you can't understand the true meaning of the training does not mean others can't...

Then it was the "warriors" who started saying how only the sheep think that way and I tried, albeit in vain to illistrate how ubsurd that notion was by linking it to a police encounter. I am thinking that there are some out there that actually believe I am serious about acting that way.

Each person is responsible for themselves. This includes how they think and feel. If what you read here upsets you........... What can I say....

I really do disagree with your opinion that the ideas shown in the power point "are not intended to be used by citizens".

As I said before anyone should train for situations where they could become the victims of a crime.

The attitude portrayed in the power point is one of "winning" when you are confronted by a violent situation. That could be from a mugging, robbery, home invasion or any attack by a criminal.

If this is all that it takes to make the police my enemy, they were not really my friends to begin with.

Bert only you can decide if the police are your enemy. If thats your opinion then I am truly sorry for you. There are far more reasonable things to worry about in this world and I hope you can gain some perspective.

[bsg]

imo the comments offered by SVT-40= good feedback, that's offered in good faith with good intention. it's a type of perspective; a mindset. take it, or leave it.

[SocomM4]

Seems like many people think they live in Mayberry , like there is an Andy Taylor walkin around without a gun just talkin good folks into going to jail. Those days are long gone guys.

The reality is, every person a officer walks up to could potentially take their life. It was mentioned earlier that being proven wrong about that "Law Abiding Joe Shmo" just on his way to get dinner for his family; The guy you think to yourself couldn't be a bad guy. Till the info shows he's wanted for murdering 4 kids in Texas or some craziness,can drive the lesson home to never let your guard down.


Duty and going home to his family over Fairy Tales and Rainbows.Sorry.