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  • sindominator
    Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 425

    Discriminated for being a hunter and gun owner.

    So last Friday Oct. 14, 2011 I went through perhaps the most humiliating day of my life so far. The company I work for decided to part ways with me. To keep it short and skinny, I feel that I was let go for not kissing certain individuals (management) hairy rear. So they found a cheesy excuse to fire and me. I went into a conference room with my manager and the companies CFO. Before I even finish taking a seat, my manager immediately blurs out “(my name)… This isn’t working and we are terminating you immediately”. I kept my cool and took it like man. I am sure there was nothing I could do honestly, but take it. The CFO went over some paper work needed and a few autographs here and there. When I left the conference room, 2 large cardboard boxes in my cube were waiting for me. My manager explain that they needed all property returned to them. Cell, laptop, keyboard, mouse etc… etc... After handing everything over I was expected to be left alone and gather all my things, pictures, posters, personal stuff you know. Also time alone to reflect whatever I can or just gather my things in private. Well he stood there watching me with a Hawkeye so that I would steal anything I guess. This made me rather mad because our company makes 2 products and are both are around 900lbs. So not I like I was going to walk out with one of them in my pocket.

    In the process, the operations manager (a real prick! 90% of employees dislike him) comes up as I am putting my stuff away. He tells me “(my name) I am really sorry about this. Everybody here loves you a lot and respects you as a person. However we are a bit paranoid… We know that you are a “Gun Freak” and love hunting. So I decided to call the police to escort you out”. “This is for every ones protection… You heard or saw what happen in Sunnyvale?” (referring to the guy who shot up the beauty salon). This hit me like a giant sack of hammers across my face. Well honestly, more like a large cold knife on my back. I had been with the company since startup. We were 5 and now are about 80 or so employees. I couldn’t believe that I was being treated like a murdering maniac and a thief all at once. As if losing your job wasn’t hard enough. I had to endure that type of humiliation all for having a past time hobby. I was actually generous enough to take the company out the range and play with toys for a little R&R a few years back at my expense. Well I ended using both boxes and I had to take 1 box out to my car. As soon as I open my door a police offer jumps out of his cruiser and immediately asks for my ID. Him my manager and that prick surround me and walk to my car. As soon as I open my trunk the cop immediately puts one hand near the holster and bumps in to see what was in my trunk. He then asks to open the car doors so he can take a peek inside. At this point there was a part me that was boiling but a larger part me was beginning to break down. Like that movie “Brave Heart” when Wallace is betrayed by that’s Scotts king guy. I was short on breaths my stomach had a giant nod and my throat had a strange sting to it. I walked back towards the building and cop said I couldn’t go or return to the building. I told him that I had another box there. He said they’ll get it for you, I said well I am sorry but my wallet is also there and there still stuff that belongs to me. So the cop came in the building and this time I had 3 folks eye balling me.

    The cop then began to call dispatch to run a background check and he asked for my current address and other info normally asked by police at a scene. As I finished, the cop walked me outside and said “before you take off, I need a word with you” I said sure. I put the 2nd box in my car and we had a chit chat. The police officer was also in rather disbelieve that company I help grow would treat me like that. He said he didn’t know what was going onside inside the work-force and he is only there to do he’s job. He also explain what a little of what happen in Sunnyvale and that some people were just taking extra precautions.

    What do you guys think? I believe it was prejudice and a sheer coward move because it was Friday and there really no one was left in the building but the manager and that other prick. I don’t think he consulted with other folks management about that chicken shhhhh move.

    All weekend long I sat at home just waiting for SWAT to burst through door and audit my toys to see what was legal or not. Because I had no idea what sort of garbage that guy fed them. I just moved in into this neighborhood and I was so worried that it will tarnish my reputation around here. It is hard enough being the color that I am and background were I from. Imagine now, having a load of cops outside my house walking out with over 30 rifles and pistols as evidence or something like that. Honestly a very horrible feeling inside of me right now. I don’t want to take legal action because it’s my friends company. He’s a founder and more of an engineer than anything so he’s really not in control of decisions like that. + he is in Europe expanding the business. Besides that I have many friends there who I adore and would take a bullet for them any day. But honestly if the law does come to my house because they believe something suspicious is here. Then I sir I will see them in court.
    Last edited by sindominator; 10-17-2011, 7:57 PM.
  • #2
    Jasonaspears
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 1200

    I'm sorry this happened but honestly, this is why I have kept my mouth shut in regards to my guns unless I know I'm around like-minded folks. Most companies have a strict no guns policy. Hopefully you get unemployment until you find a better opportunity

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    • #3
      Us3rName
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 660

      ridiculous.

      Sorry it happened that way man.

      I'd just forget about it and call it a day. Put it behind you and move on.

      They did their job. Just as you mentioned. Due to recent situations and what not. These are just the "extra" precautions people are taking.

      I'm not saying what they did was right. They definitely could've taken another approach. However, they really didn't do anything that raises flags. He explained to you his reasoning - which was fair (for a paranoid person). Did he over think? probably most likely, yes.

      You kept your cool which is great. The cop kept his cool and took his appropriate precautions because he doesn't know you. Throughout the ordeal, he got a feel for ya. Before you departed, he asked to speak with you and gave you a low down on why he is doing this and why they wanted it.

      edit: seems like you had a very good cop. He didn't infringe your rights. He just "looked" instead of searched.

      I think it could've gone in a negative direction easily and you kept it cool.

      Sounds fair enough.

      part your ways. Put it behind you. Wake up tomorrow and start a new day.
      Last edited by Us3rName; 10-17-2011, 7:31 PM.

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      • #4
        SantaCabinetguy
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Feb 2011
        • 15142

        Bummer to hear about losing your job. Losing any job is always a bummer.
        Do I agree that the guy who called the cops was a capital D? I do.
        Do I think it was unfortunate that he brought it up? I do.

        What kind of work were you in, do you have a direction to head?
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        • #5
          wash
          Calguns Addict
          • Aug 2007
          • 9011

          I am going to have to remember to use the audio recorder feature of my phone if I'm ever fired like that.

          I would also refuse searches and call a lawyer if I was treated so poorly. There may be some way to get your boss arrested for making a false report but you probably need document the incident before you can force the PD and DA to press charges.
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          Originally posted by oaklander
          Dear Kevin,

          You suck!!! Your are wrong!!! Stop it!!!
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          • #6
            dmcag69
            Member
            • Aug 2008
            • 286

            Talk to an attorney, most of all for your protection, if management can have you escorted out like that, what is keeping them from filing a false restraining order on you.

            Never go back to the company for any reason. All work places have A holes. Keep your head up and move on.
            Last edited by dmcag69; 10-17-2011, 7:42 PM.

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            • #7
              The Geologist
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 641

              consult a lawyer. So was there a written "no gun" policy? If you have any signed copies of reviews from your Supervisor indicating how indispensable you were you as an employee you might have some recourse. Especially if there was no policy. Good Luck

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              • #8
                sindominator
                Member
                • Jul 2008
                • 425

                Thanks guys! Like I said I'll only take a up notch if police do come to my house and search my place for "assualt weapons and stuff". But I did feel like royal poo being compared to a murderer.

                The reason folks at work new I was a gun guru, was because many of them are friends and had come to my house and seen my collection. I've been asked advice because I build AR's and AK's and do basic gunsmithing. Many of them actually converted over after I took them the range. They have more respect and are more open minded towards guns. They've always joked around when stuff wasn't working they would say "give to me" for ballistic testing lolol you know that family atsmphore most start up companies have in their first 2-3 years. To be honest everybody there adore the heck out of me exept those 2 dueches because I never kissed their a55.

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                • #9
                  sindominator
                  Member
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 425

                  Hell they have even allowed me to use the shop and shop tools for some gunsmthing because they know how much I respect the law no matter how crappy it is. Also my mechanical skills that come from gunsmith have help in some R&D projects. So 98% of them are well minded folks who I adore alot.
                  Last edited by sindominator; 10-17-2011, 7:48 PM.

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                  • #10
                    damon1272
                    Veteran Member
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 4857

                    Best bet is to stop all communications with all folks there. Only talk to the ones that contact you. I would see about finding out the reason you were let go and I would not advertise that you are into guns at the next job unless someone brings it up. Kind of like fight club rules. Plus don't be so sure your buddy did not know. If he is a founder then he knew the axe was falling.

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                    • #11
                      GrizzlyGuy
                      Gun Runner to The Stars
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • May 2009
                      • 5468

                      It's too bad that it's your friend's company. If you were willing to post it's name, I'd personally boycott all of its products forever, and make sure that my company did the same.

                      FYI, CA allows "employment at will" which basically means that unless you have an employment contract that says otherwise, they can let you go for whatever reason they like or no reason at all. I doubt that you would have a valid legal claim against them even if you wanted to pursue it.

                      Keep your chin up, you'll find a better job at a better company.
                      Gun law complexity got you down? Get the FAQs, Jack!

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                      • #12
                        Sillyguy
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 1300

                        its your friends company? why don't you talk to him about it?
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                        • #13
                          Turo
                          Calguns Addict
                          • May 2009
                          • 5066

                          I'd be pissed. Sorry you had to be treated like that.
                          "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
                          -Thomas Jefferson

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                          • #14
                            anthonyca
                            Calguns Addict
                            • May 2008
                            • 6316

                            Sorry to hear about that. Betrayal is hard to take.
                            https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union...70812799700206

                            Originally posted by Wherryj
                            I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?

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                            • #15
                              shmeare
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 690

                              Yup, CA "employment at will" thing is a *****! very narrow way to get something going... spoken to a few lawyers in the past. Then only thing might be character defamation? would they be open to give a good reference moving forward? if not, the only way to get some sort of discrimination would be via sex, religion, age, etc. also very hard to prove. Sorry this happened to you.

                              Originally posted by GrizzlyGuy
                              It's too bad that it's your friend's company. If you were willing to post it's name, I'd personally boycott all of its products forever, and make sure that my company did the same.

                              FYI, CA allows "employment at will" which basically means that unless you have an employment contract that says otherwise, they can let you go for whatever reason they like or no reason at all. I doubt that you would have a valid legal claim against them even if you wanted to pursue it.

                              Keep your chin up, you'll find a better job at a better company.

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