Ar-15 Pistol

[Scratch705]

i'm wondering if this applies to out of state residents that will move back to ca?

or do all they need to do is just put a mag lock on and send in the CADOJ form?

[cdtx2001]

If you want a pistol, go the 80% route. Find a machinist that knows something about gunsmithing and see if you can use their mill. I did, and the results were great. Doing the machine work wasn't as hard as I thought, it's just time consuming. It also helps that the machinist I found was into this too and already had custom AR jigs to hold the lowers which he made. Sure was fun learning to use a Bridgeport.

Heck, you can do this on a drill press with a custom jig sold at Sacramento Black Rifle.

As a side note, does anyone know if forward grips are legal federally? I know that you can have one in CA if you have a bullet button, but what about federally?

[SocomM4]

I have an 80% lower and jig. Had it for a year and it's sat in the same spot since I got it. Virtually nobody wants to help mill it out.

[Josh3239]

Can LEO buy one of these and shoot 30 round magazines out of it and not have a bullet button since it's a 'handgun'.?

Of course not. Law Enforcement officers have to follow gun laws just as much as they have to follow any other law such as murder.

i'm wondering if this applies to out of state residents that will move back to ca?

or do all they need to do is just put a mag lock on and send in the CADOJ form?

The Roster only applies to dealer sales. When a person moves to CA with an AR pistol it is treated like any other off-the-roster handgun, the new resident form must be sent in and they must make mods to make sure it is CA legal.

As a side note, does anyone know if forward grips are legal federally? I know that you can have one in CA if you have a bullet button, but what about federally?

The Feds and I think CA would come after you as well, if you put a vertical foregrip on a pistol. That is what they call an AOW or Any Other Weapon. Essentially a pistol is described as a weapon that is fired with one hand, a pistol with a vertical foregrip is designed to fire with two hands therefore it isn't really a pistol.

You do NOT need a dangerous weapons permit from California to do this. You would fill out the ATF forms for an AOW just like you would fill out the forms in any other state. AOWs can be made, there are hoops to jump through and the ATF takes a few months to approve applications but it can be done fairly easily.

[torquefliteterror]

As a side note, does anyone know if forward grips are legal federally? I know that you can have one in CA if you have a bullet button, but what about federally?

its illegal in cali as well as federal if you did not register it as an AOW. the cali legal Franklin Arms X0-26 is exempt because it is over 26 inches. like the mossberg persuader. it is not a pistol or a rifle. it falls under "other" status and so it does not fall under NFA controls.

if you use an ar pistol with the 11.5 barrel and the longer buffer tube you would exceed 26"overall length and be legal. as per the exemption letter issued to Franklin arms.

PS- don't waste time folks. the EBR deal is the best ive ever seen. i've built 5-80%ers - if this deal had been around back in the day i would have just bought it from them.

[SocomM4]

Closest you can get to a vertical grip, is a Magpul Angled fore grip. I read those are ok here on calguns I think.

[Quiet]

if i buy an AR15 lower receiver stripped or complete that is registered as a pistol from RRA or Spikes Tactical, have it shipped to an FFL dealer and have the single shot sled and upper receiver and have a bullet button/mag lock to be added to the receiver at time of transfer, wont it be a legal Cali firearm?

It would need to be shipped a FFL licensed as a manufacturer (Type 07-FFL), a regular FFL dealer (Type 01-FFL) can not legally do what you described.

Can LEO buy one of these and shoot 30 round magazines out of it and not have a bullet button since it's a 'handgun'.?

LEOs have to abide by the law just like everyone else.
An AR pistol without a maglock is an "assault weapon".
An AR pistol with a 11+ round fixed magazine is an "assault weapon".
A LEO possessing either would be just as guilty as a regular person, but in addition to the felony for possessing it, they would also face loss of employment from their LE agency.

As a side note, does anyone know if forward grips are legal federally? I know that you can have one in CA if you have a bullet button, but what about federally?

A veritcal forward grip on a handgun makes it an AOW.
Unless, you have BATFE approval, making/possessing an unapproved AOW is a Federal felony.

The BATFE NFA Branch is okay (no BATFE approval needed) with a horizontal forward grip on a handgun and an angled forward grip on a handgun.

Under CA laws, a semi-auto pistol with a fixed magazine can legally have a vertical/horizontal/angled forward grip on it.

So, if you want a vertical forward grip on your AR pistol, you must first get BATFE approval to make an AOW. After you get approved, you can attach a vertical forward grip to your AR pistol and be legal under both Federal & CA state laws.

I have an 80% lower and jig. Had it for a year and it's sat in the same spot since I got it. Virtually nobody wants to help mill it out.

In order to be legal, you have to do the actual milling. You can receive instructions/assistance, but you must do the actual work.

[SocomM4]

In order to be legal, you have to do the actual milling. You can receive instructions/assistance, but you must do the actual work.

Really?

[bubbapug1]

I'd go to EBR or rifle gear and just buy one. The EBR unit is a smoking deal. If you think you like your AR, you will love your AR pistol. They are really the best of all worlds.

[cdtx2001]

Really?

Yes, really!

Sending you a PM with some helpful info.


BTW y'all remember, for every AR lower that's finished a Liberal sheds a tear.

[torquefliteterror]

Closest you can get to a vertical grip, is a Magpul Angled fore grip. I read those are ok here on calguns I think.

yup, some people are afraid to do it still, but there is an ATF tech letter floating around that verifies ATF views Magpul AFG as ok as it is not a "vertical" grip. Hell it says it in the name - Angled fore grip. cant mistake that for Vertical!

[Scratch705]

The Roster only applies to dealer sales. When a person moves to CA with an AR pistol it is treated like any other off-the-roster handgun, the new resident form must be sent in and they must make mods to make sure it is CA legal.

nice, that means i'll be getting an ar pistol next year.

[j1mmyd]

Having done a lot of research on this issue recently, I'm inclined to purchase my first one and build a lower after that. The idea of matched parts and a warranty is appealing.

In addition to the EBRworks deal, which looks good, this guy on GunBroker has fantastic feedback and will make it CA legal for an extra $50: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Sel...px?User=161751